Council: July 24th 2017

MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF COUNCIL
Mayfield Village Civic Hall
Monday, July 24, 2017 - 8:00 p.m.

The Council of Mayfield Village met in Regular Session on Monday, July 24, 2017 at Mayfield Village Civic Hall.   Council President Saponaro called the meeting to order at 8:00 p.m.

ROLL CALL: 

Present: Mr. Jerome, Mr. Marquardt, Mr. Marrie, Mrs. Mills, Dr. Parker, Mr. Williams, and Mr. Saponaro                                                                                                                                         

Also Present: Mayor Bodnar, Mr. Wynne, Mr. Guidetti, Mr. Cappello, Chief Edelman, Mr. Marrelli, Mr. Metzung, Assistant Chief Girbino, Mr. McAvinew, Ms. Wolgamuth, and Mrs. Betsa

Absent: None

The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag was given.

OPEN PORTION:

For Public Comment (5-minute limit imposed by Chair)

Rick Christian
510 SOM Center Road

I was here at the last Caucus.  It was brought up you want to spend $625,000 for two tennis courts and a couple bocce courts.  I don’t know where you people get off.  Mr. McAvinew said he took a survey.  I don’t know how many people he surveyed.  I didn’t get a survey in the mail.  If he doesn’t survey the whole Village, how are you supposed to know how many people want this?  You’ve got tennis courts in Highland Heights.  You’ve got tennis courts at the high school.  You don’t need tennis courts here.  There’s two bocce courts down on Mayfield Road.  We don’t need bocce courts here.  I don’t know how many people are going to use these things once you spend a half a million dollars to purchase them.  It’s not going to be worth it. I don’t want to see my tax money go for it.

I have had a problem with my property since SOM was widened.  I can’t get this Council to do anything about it.  They come to me and they say, we’ll dig a trench and if that doesn’t work, you are on your own.  Then I get a letter saying, go hire your own engineer because our engineer doesn’t think it’s a problem.   But I’ve got water on my property.  It’s a problem.  This Council’s got your head someplace.

Council President Saponaro asked, anyone else?

There were no further comments.

Consideration of Minutes:

Regular Council Meeting – June 19, 2017

Mrs. Mills, seconded by Mr. Marquardt, made a motion to approve the minutes as written.

ROLL CALL:

AYES: All
NAYS: None

Motion Carried. Minutes of June 19, 2017 Approved as Written.

COMMENTS FROM MAYOR BODNAR

Mayor Bodnar stated, just a couple of things.  First, we wanted to note that we mourn the loss of Patricia Russo.  Patty was a member of our Citizen’s Advisory Committee and a very respected member of our community.  She passed away last Thursday. We are mourning her loss.  Also, NOPEC sponsors the Lake County Captains’ games.  They sent me 24 vouchers good for either Sunday, August 6th for the 7:00 p.m. game or Sunday, August 20th for the 1:30 game.  If anyone here in the audience would like any vouchers for either of those two games, let me know and I will get you some tickets.  We have our new window treatments up in Civic Hall.  I think they look very nice.  They have done a good job.

COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL PRESIDENT SAPONARO

Commission on Aging member Ruth Petche has announced her retirement from the Committee.  If any Council member who has a suggestion for a replacement or someone you feel could serve on that Committee if you could please let Mrs. Betsa know no later than this Friday, we would appreciate it.

DEPARTMENT HEAD REPORTS:

John Marrelli (Building)

  • Architectural Review Board – We met on the 13th.  We went over alterations to a home.
  • Planning and Zoning – We met on Monday, August 20th and went over the memory care facility.

Tom Cappello (Engineer) – Updating on the Joyce, Hemingway, Worton Park area watermain project, the watermain is in.  They are presently installing hydrants. This week they are working at night to make the connection on Wilson Mills Road. Also, I received an update from ODOT that they will be working at night also.  They will be closing one lane in each direction as needed.  They are working under the bridge at this time.

Council President Saponaro asked, can you provide any insight as to the Intergenerational Park?

Mr. Cappello replied, there is a little confusion.  The total project cost is estimated at $625,000.  It is broken down into tennis and pickleball courts.  That cost estimate is approximately $138,000, of which I believe we are getting $91,000 in grant money by the State.  The bocce ball courts are approximately $44,000.  There are four of those.  The sand volleyball court is approximately $45,000.  There are two of those.  We are going to be installing a new parking lot which doubles the existing parking.  It will be paved.  The existing one is gravel.   It’s about 63 spaces.  We are installing a 126 space parking lot.  Also, this part of the parking lot will have asphalt trails from the parking lot and going through the area through the park.  The parking lot itself is about $265,000 including the trails and also the stormwater requirements for water quality and quantity.  There are some general items, basically construction staking mobilization, underground work for the preparation for lighting.  That totals about approximately $32,000.  We have a bid alternate right now for installation of the light, foundation and poles.  We will see what that number comes in.  What we have done as part of the main project is put all of the infrastructure in, the conduit and modifications for the lighting.  The $625,000 mentioned isn’t just for two tennis courts or just the bocce courts.  A big chunk of that is the parking lot which is by the existing softball fields.  You can ask Shane, that parking lot is usually overfilled during softball season. This should give more spaces and more spaces at the pool to be freed up.

Council President Saponaro asked, you talked about the grant.  Is the grant specifically for the tennis courts?

Mr. Cappello replied, two tennis courts, correct.

Council President Saponaro asked, what was the amounts on the tennis courts?

Mr. Cappello replied, $138,000.

Council President Saponaro asked, and then you are saying, of that $138,000, $90,000 is coming back to us in the form of a grant?

Mr. Cappello replied, correct.  Some portion of the electrical is going to go for the tennis courts.  A portion of that $50,000 estimate for the site lighting.  The actual foundations and light poles and fixtures would go to that also, but again, just in general, of the main project, the $625,000, it’s about $138,000 for two tennis courts.

Council President Saponaro stated, okay, very good. Any other questions?

Mr. Jerome stated, I was a little bit upset.  At first we said we would add two tennis courts down the road.  But it was mentioned the other day that there is no room for it.

Mr. Cappello replied, correct.

Mr. Jerome stated, so, unless you put them in a different place, we are kind of stuck.

Mr. Cappello replied, we talked about putting three courts up.

Mr. Jerome stated, if we can go with three, I think we should do it.

Mr. Cappello replied, for the record, at the Finance Committee meeting, we talked about three courts as an add alternate.  We will get that price difference.

Mr. Jerome asked, so what about with the lighting?  You said that wasn’t for sure we were going to do that?

Mr. Cappello replied, the infrastructure, all of the conduits from the power panel at the softball fields where the softball field restrooms are, all of the conduit and trenching will be prepped at each location for future poles if we decide to put them in later.  We have a bid item to do poles.  We just want to see what that price comes in at.

Mr. Jerome stated, I would be in agreement with doing it all. But if you think the price isn’t right-

Mr. Cappello stated, we structured the bid so we can make educated decisions based on the actual numbers that we get.  The good news is we have about 7 or 8 contractors who have already picked up the plans for this project, so there is a lot of interest.  Hopefully we can get some very good numbers.

Council President Saponaro stated, very good.  Mr. McAvinew, I know that there was mention about a survey.  Do you want to expound or just explain how that happened?

Mr. McAvinew replied, the survey was originally part of the grant application.  What I did was to send about 1500 e-mails to people who use our recreational services in the community.  I collected the information.  I can e-mail copies of the results of the survey.  We have also done one with the Grove and one with recreation programs in general.  With the tennis courts, I talked to the State of Ohio when it came to pickleball and the need for the change.  We did a survey on it and included pickleball, bocce and tennis in the survey.  The survey did not include volleyball at the time.

Council President Saponaro asked, does anyone have any questions on that?

Mr. Marquardt asked, that was sent out to people already using the facilities?

Mr. McAvinew replied, we have an e-mail database where we send information about recreational programs and activities.  That was the database we used to get the information out to the residents.  It was the easiest way to get it out in the timespan we had to get the information out.

Mr. Marquardt asked, what about people who don’t use the facilities?

Mr. McAvinew replied, if you look at the survey it will show you that if they don’t use it, there is a column there.  It shows a percentage.

Mr. Marquardt asked, what about those who don’t use any of the current recreation facilities?  You are not dealing with anyone who doesn’t use the facilities.

Mr. McAvinew replied, I tried to get it out to as many people as I could.  The quickest was to get it out was that way.

Mr. Marquardt stated, that’s kind of a bias survey.

Mr. McAvinew stated, if you look at the survey, you can see that there is a percentage.  Some are not using tennis courts, some are not using bocce ball courts.  They just participate in recreation within the Village.  That could be anywhere from the swim lessons over to a Senior Center program.  It was diverse.

Mr. Marquardt stated, 1500 residents?

Mr. McAvinew stated, 1500 e-mails.  Some of them are not all residents.  I can categorize those and break down the percentages and send it.  I can break it down by zip code and where they came from by the responses.

Mayor Bodnar stated, I just wanted to point out that the purpose of this survey that Shane conducted was after we had gotten the $91,000 grant for the two tennis courts.  It was not to see, do people want tennis courts or do they not want tennis courts?  What we thought about doing was striping all the tennis courts for pickleball. ODNR came back and said, that may violate the terms of the grant.  We may take the grant away if you do that.  They asked us for a survey.  That’s why Shane did that.  It was for that purpose, is that right Shane?

Mr. McAvinew replied, that is correct.

Mayor Bodnar stated, it wasn’t in general, the thought of this Intergenerational Park and its expansion has gone back years and years.  Last year we put it off when we heard about the ODNR grant and the chance to get this $91,000 so that wasn’t the purpose for Shane’s survey.  It was to see what the uses for pickleball and tennis are so we can get it back to ODNR and they could determine whether we would still be covered if we started the plans for pickleball also.

Mr. Marquardt stated, the survey sounds as if it was structured so it is biased.

Mayor Bodnar stated, for people who use it for pickleball or tennis, but that was ODNR’s question to us.

Mr. Marquardt stated, I know, but it’s only less than half the people in the Village you are talking about.

Marge Eisenberg
6783 Seneca

Why didn’t you put the survey in the Voice of the Village and anybody and everybody in the Village who are ultimately paying for this would have access to it?

Ms. Wolgamuth replied, I think the answer to that Mrs. Eisenberg is that this issue just came up at the last Council meeting and we needed to make a decision on pickleball or tennis in the next couple weeks. If we want the grant, that money has to get spent.  I don’t believe there was a question about pickelball versus tennis until the last Council meeting.  I think that’s when that all came up.

Mr. Christian stated, the last meeting is the first time anybody’s heard anything about tennis courts.

Ms. Wolgamuth replied, not true.

Mr. Christian stated, oh yeah.  I come to these meetings all the time.  This is the first time I have heard about it.

Council President Saponaro stated, Mr. Christian, we will make this easy for you.  Mrs. Betsa, can you find the Minutes of every meeting that we have discussed the Intergenerational Park and provide it to Mr. Christian so he understands how long it has been discussed?

Mr. Christian asked members of the audience, have you heard anything about this?  Nobody has.  This is the first time I have heard about it.

A member of the audience replied, I have.

Mr. Christian stated, I might not come to every Council meeting, but not every Council person comes to every Council meeting either, but I am here at most of them.

Council President Saponaro stated, and we understand that, but I am saying when you are making a statement that it has never been discussed before last week, it has been discussed.  For a number of years.

Mr. Christian stated, not in the context that it was discussed at the last meeting.

Council President Saponaro stated, I am not sure I understand the context you are talking about.

Mr. Christian stated, $625,000 for two tennis courts, a couple bocce courts and volleyball courts plus parking for the baseball diamonds that all Village residents use.

Council President Saponaro stated, so it benefits all Village residents.

Mr. Christian replied, oh yeah, because every Village residents goes up there and uses it.  I am sure. I think you need to take a survey to every resident instead of 1500.

Council President Saponaro stated, the survey was taken after.  It was done as a pretext to the grant that is trying to lower the amounts of money being charged to the Village.  Prior to it, I don’t know if a survey was done.  I am not sure how it was conducted.

Mr. Cappello stated, the survey was just determined if people wanted pickleball.  It wasn’t that people wanted tennis courts.  It was if there was a demand for pickleball.  The striping of the pickleball is a minor amount of money.  The whole thing with the 1500 residents was to determine if pickleball was in demand.  That was what the survey was for.  Not if tennis was in demand or anything like that.  It went to recreation people who use the facilities to see if they were interested possibly in pickleball or not.  This was a clarification.  This wasn’t a survey sent out to just 1500 people, do you want tennis?  That was determined a long time ago.

Council President Saponaro asked, okay, so Mrs. Betsa, can you provide information regarding the discussion on this and go back as far as you can?  Thank you.

Mayor Bodnar stated, I started here when they took away the tennis courts and the High School. To my knowledge, they have not put them back.  There used to be tennis courts.  There are no longer.

Ron Wynne (Finance) – At last month’s Council meeting, Council approved the renewal of our property and casualty insurance as it stood.  I was asked to get quotes for looking at adding the cybercrime policy, doubling the amount of our umbrella coverage from $5,000,000 to $10,000,000 and we were also going to look at a self-insured consortium that is in Northern Ohio, what the benefits would be to join that group.  I have gotten the two quotes on the two policies, the cybercrime and the umbrella.  I will be meeting later this week to get the quote on the self-insurance pool and I will present all of that to Council at the Caucus meeting for consideration.  On Thursday, August 17th, I have the annual meeting downtown at the County building for review of the performance of our TIF Agreements.

Shane McAvinew (Parks and Recreation):

Senior Services –  We have our Senior Picnic for Village residents on July 26th at Chestnut Picnic Shelter at the Metroparks from 12:00-3:00.  You are all welcome if you want to stop down.  We have a trip on August 16th, a tour of Cleveland with lunch and dinner provided.  The monthly August Foot Clinic will be held on August 4th and 25th at the Civic Center.  The cost is $20.  Remind your neighborhood friends to attend the second Senior Fair on August 24th from 5:00-7:00 at the Community Room. Representatives from all departments and organizations will be there along with course instructors.  There will be music and some light food.  Also, the last Wednesday concert was successful.  They had about 100 people in attendance.  The biggest problem we had was it was hot and people had no place to hide in the shade.  Everyone enjoyed it.  I had good feedback.  $800 of the $1200 was covered through donations Donna received.  A lot of times they provided snacks and beverages for them.

Parks and Recreation - On a different note, we also give a special thanks to Garry Regan.  He applied to the Ohio Arts Council for a grant and received $2,367 towards our Grove concert series.

Committee Reports:

Activities Committee – Mr. Jerome – Mrs. Mills stated, we discussed 50’s Night and Fourth of July and our up and coming programs which will be in December - Tree Lighting, Menorah Lighting and Holiday music.

Finance Committee - Mr. Saponaro – We met this evening.  We had 4 items on the agenda, all of which were approved and recommended and moved to Council.

Safety and Service – Mr. Marrie – We met two weeks ago.  The two items discussed were the police cars and the new asphalt truck and trailer.  Both were passed on to Finance and are on tonight’s agenda for consideration.

OLD BUSINESS:

  • Second Reading of Ordinance No. 2017-29, entitled, “An Emergency Ordinance amending Codified Ordinance Sections 1185.12 & 1185.14 relating to sign regulations.”    Introduced by Mayor Bodnar and Council as a Whole. (First Reading – 6/19/17) (Law Department)

Ordinance No. 2017-29 moved to Third Read.

NEW BUSINESS:

  • Motion to declare the following cars as surplus and to then list them on Govdeals.com for sale, along with the K-9 car: (Police Dept)
    • 2013 Dodge Charger, VIN:  2C3CDXAG0DH590910, mileage:  99, 875
    • 2013 Dodge Charger, VIN:  2C3CDXAG0DH590909, mileage:  95,224

Mrs. Mills, seconded by Mr. Jerome, made a motion to declare the following cars as surplus and to then list them on Govdeals.com for sale, along with the K-9 car:

  • 2013 Dodge Charger, VIN:  2C3CDXAG0DH590910, mileage:  99, 875
  • 2013 Dodge Charger, VIN:  2C3CDXAG0DH590909, mileage:  95,224

Council President Saponaro asked, discussion?  

There was none.

ROLL CALL:

AYES: All
NAYS: None

Motion Carried. Noted cars declared as surplus. Approved to list on Govdeals.com

  • Motion to authorize expenditure in the amount of $24,804.01 to Concord Road Equipment for trailer mounted heated asphalt hauler for road repair.  (Service Department)

Mrs. Mills, seconded by Mr. Jerome, made a motion to authorize expenditure in the amount of $24,804.01 to Concord Road Equipment for trailer mounted heated asphalt hauler for road repair.  (Service Department)

Council President Saponaro asked, discussion?  

There was none.

ROLL CALL:

AYES: All
NAYS: None

Motion Carried. Expenditure Authorized.

  • Motion to acknowledge receipt of financial reports for June 2017 and to approve of same as submitted. (Finance Department)

Mrs. Mills, seconded by Mr. Jerome, made a motion to acknowledge receipt of financial reports for June 2017 and to approve of same as submitted. (Finance Department)

Council President Saponaro asked, discussion? 

There was none.

ROLL CALL:

AYES: All
NAYS: None

Motion Carried. Financial Reports for June 2017 Acknowledged and Approved

  • Motion to authorize expenditure in the amount of $12,900 to Van Curen Services, Inc. for the removal of multiple trees along Wilson Mills Road. (Service Department)

Mrs. Mills, seconded by Mr. Marquardt, made a motion to authorize expenditure in the amount of $12,900 to Van Curen Services, Inc. for the removal of multiple trees along Wilson Mills Road. (Service Department)

Council President Saponaro asked, discussion?  

Mr. Jerome asked, Doug, I was looking at the e-mail before.  With regard to traffic control, do we need to do that ourselves or is it not needed?

Mr. Metzung replied, Van Curen is going to have to do that.

Council President Saponaro asked, any other questions?

There were none.

ROLL CALL:

AYES: All
NAYS: None

Motion Carried. Expenditure Authorized.

  • First Reading of Ordinance No. 2017-31, entitled, “An Ordinance affirming the Grant Use Variance by the Board of Appeals for a Memory Care Facility on North Commons Blvd. P.P. No. 831-05-015.”    Introduced by Mayor Bodnar and Council as a Whole.  (Law Department)

Ordinance No. 2017-31 moved to Second Read.

Council President Saponaro stated, per the requirement, we are moving this to Planning and Zoning for their opinion and report back to Council on this matter.

Mr. Guidetti stated, you actually need a motion to refer it to Planning and Zoning.

  • Motion to refer Ordinance No. 2017-31 to Planning and Zoning for their opinion and report back to Council.

Mrs. Mills, seconded by Mr. Jerome, made a motion to refer Ordinance No. 2017-31 to Planning and Zoning for their opinion and report back to Council.

Council President Saponaro asked, discussion?

There was none.

ROLL CALL:

AYES: All
NAYS: None

Motion Carried. Ordinance No. 2017-31 referred to Planning and Zoning for Opinion and Report to Council

Mr. Jerome stated, they have 90 days from today.

Mr. Guidetti stated, unless it is mutually extended.

  • Resolution No. 2017-07, entitled, “A Resolution appointing Eric Jochum and Catharine Zbiegien to the Tax Incentive Review Council.”  Introduced by Mayor Bodnar and Council as a Whole.  (Finance Department)

Mrs. Mills, seconded by Mr. Marrie, made a motion to adopt Resolution No. 2017-07.

Council President Saponaro asked, any discussion?

Mr. Wynne stated, the Tax Incentive Review Council is made up of several representatives from the Village as well as several from the County.  For our TIF meeting in August it is generally accompanied by myself and representatives and from the schools.  These are the Mayor’s appointees.

ROLL CALL:

AYES: Marquardt, Marrie, Mills, Parker, Saponaro, and Williams
NAYS: Jerome

Motion Carried. Resolution Adopted.

ANY OTHER MATTERS:

Council President Saponaro asked, are there any other matters that might come before Council at this point?

Mr. Marrelli stated, with regard to the sign ordinance, these are the sizes of the signs commercially available.  Presently, the signs that we are contemplating is 9 square feet or 3 x 3.  Those are the two biggest ones on the end.  I want you to look at those and think about changing the size or keeping the size.  Don’t forget, it’s for garage sales, for political signs and for whatever advertising would be happening in somebody’s front yard or on the street corner.

Patty Gaeta lent us Howard Hanna sign so you can get a feel for how much square footage a standard real estate sign takes up.  That’s probably 2 x 3 which is 6 square feet.  So if you want to consider that for your third read or to make any amendments to your third read, I suggest taking a look at this and see if you want to deal with 9 square feet versus 6.

Mr. Marrie asked, the two on the end, the big ones, they are 9?

Mr. Marrelli replied, yes, the two on the right are 9 square feet.  One is 3 x 3 and the other one is 2 ½ x 4.  I went to Sign-A-Rama and asked them to give me some sizes so you could see physically what kind of copy would be out there eon the streets.

Mr. Jerome asked, what is currently allowed on that size?

Mr. Marrelli replied, 6 square feet.

Mr. Jerome asked, no, what signage is currently allowed at that size, the 9 square feet?

Mr. Marrelli replied, nothing.

Dr. Parker asked, what size is that Sign-A-Rama?

Mr. Marrelli asked, which one?

Dr. Parker replied the one that says Sign-A-Rama.

Ms. Wolgamuth replied, 2 x 3.

Mr. Marrelli stated, if you take the one that says Sign-A-Rama Printing Services and turn it sideways, it would equal the Howard Hanna sign.

Mr. Jerome asked, so that is the biggest sign we allow for everything right now?

Mr. Marrelli replied, yes.

Mr. Jerome asked, even the commercial ones?

Mr. Marrelli replied, no, we are not taking about commercial rental space or anything like that.  We are talking about garage sale signs, political signs, residential real estate.  These are temporary signs only, for sale, for rent.  Commercial district, is a whole other thing.

Mr. Marrie stated, I personally would hate to see signs, forget the garage sales, there’s not that many, but the political signs, if you had the two big ones on the end, it would look like a zoo.

Mr. Marrelli replied, that’s why they are here, so you can get a good feel for it.

Mr. Marrie stated, I would certainly be against the big ones, all the way.

Mr. Marrelli stated, the small sign next to the Howard Hanna sign with the little girl on it seems to be the most popular size and the most popular price.  That would be 18 x 24.  I am told that is the most inexpensive and most popular size for political races.

Mr. Marrie stated, that’s pretty much what has been used over the years?

Mr. Marrelli replied, I would think so, yes.  That’s about the size we have seen throughout the town.  If you pass legislation to allow them to be bigger, anybody can go buy a piece of cardboard like that and put their name on it.

Mr. Marrie asked, can you imagine a lot of garage sales on one particular weekend with those big boards handwritten?  It would be terrible.

Mr. Marrelli agreed.  That’s why we are displaying these so you can consider the size.

Mr. Marrie replied, thank you.

Council President Saponaro stated, thank you.  Any other comments?

Dr. Parker stated, on the signs, the problem we have also is that this size would apply to what other, obviously I agree, and I am for a smaller sign from what I am seeing here.  But a 3 x 3 sign, we have to be uniform.  Therein lies the problem.

Mr. Marrelli stated, that’s the idea.  To be uniform.

Dr. Parker asked, who else is using the large sign that is 3 x 3?

Mr. Marrelli replied, I have no idea.

Mr. Guidetti replied, the court decision is so recent, I don’t think a lot of municipalities have had the chance to make these decisions yet to unify their code.

Dr. Parker asked, what would be an example?  Who would you see using that sign?

Council President Saponaro asked, in a commercial context?

Dr. Parker replied, in a commercial context.

Mr. Marrelli replied, construction.  How big was our sign for The Grove?

Ms. Wolgamuth replied, 4 x 8.

Mr. Marrelli stated, 4 x 8, a lot bigger than that.  But that’s commercial.  That’s construction.  That’s development.  There’s a whole other standard for that.

Council President Saponaro asked, so you are trying to make it uniform from a residential side, not commercial?

Mr. Marrelli replied, when we looked at the political sign ordinance and Mark and I discussed it, there was a Court case in Garfield that went to Federal Court. We went all through this issue with discrimination.

Mr. Guidetti stated, what the court case focused on, there was a distinction between political signage and then signage placed up on residential properties essentially.  The court said, you can’t rationally distinguish between allowing only ‘x’ square footage for a political sign and allowing regular lesser footage for a non-political sign.  The ruling was a little more expansive so now we are changing our Code to make that adaptation.

Mr. Jerome stated, unless I am wrong, I just double checked it, it says currently political signs are allowed to be 9 square feet?

Mr. Marrelli asked, is that the proposed legislation?

Mr. Jerome replied, no, this is what it is now.  I was just trying to compare.

Mr. Marrelli stated, nobody’s done it.

Dr. Parker stated, the problem is is that if we conform to that, there have been some larger political signs than 2 x 3.  You have seen things hanging on fences.  The problem is is if we allow that to be the conforming standard, we have to allow residents, everybody, to make the same big sign.

Mr. Marrelli stated, that’s why you need to make a decision.

Dr. Parker stated, that’s why I wanted to be clear.  It’s not like we can say political can be bigger but residential can be smaller.  I am really happy you brought those down so people can put a face to a size.

Mr. Guidetti replied, I believe the changes are highlighted in the copy of the ordinance distributed so you can see exactly what the old square footage was compared to what is being proposed.

Council President Saponaro asked, any other discussion on this?  Any other comments?

There were none.

ADJOURNMENT:

Mrs. Mills, seconded by Dr. Parker, made a motion to adjourn.

The meeting adjourned at 8:38 p.m.  The next Council meeting is scheduled for August 21, 2017 at 8:00 p.m.