Safety and Service - October 6th 2014

Monday, October 6, 2014 at 7:15 p.m.
Main Conference Room - Mayfield Village Civic Center

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The Safety and Service Committee met on Monday, October 6, 2014 in the Main Conference Room at the Mayfield Village Civic Center.  Mr. Marrie called the meeting to order at 7:15 p.m.

Present: Mr. Marrie and Mr. Jerome

Also Present: Mrs. Mills, Mr. Wynne, Chief Carcioppolo, Chief Edelman, Mr. Metzung, Mr. DiNardo, Mr. Cappello, Ms. Wolgamuth, Mr. Thomas, Mr. Marquardt (7:25 p.m.), and Mrs. Betsa


Pedestrian signage from Seneca North to Sandlewood Drive

Mrs. Mills stated, I spoke with Maura at the Police Department about this.  A long time ago, there was a sign which was about where Exceleration is.  It said “Walk Your Bike”.  What came up in Ordinance Review was that if it is posted, the police can do something about it.  Other than that, you can’t.  The question is with the number of people I see walking on the sidewalk in the area of Deacon’s going over for coffee in the morning, some of the bicyclists do not have any manners.  How do we control this?  I don’t know.  It’s a big problem for you.

Chief Edelman stated, this is the first I have heard about this. 

Mrs. Mills stated, it all stemmed from a resident who was warned after he tried to talk to a bicyclist and she went to the Police Department and reported that he was harassing her.  The man has some dementia.  He really did not mean to harm her.  But, really, I think she was in the wrong because she did not warn him she was behind him coming.  That is only courtesy. Another resident also told me that farther up on SOM he was almost run off the sidewalk by a bicyclist.  It was probably the same woman.  Is it one in the same person?  Who knows?  I would like you to think about what should be done.  Please look into it for me. We will have more bicyclists around here when we get the Greenway Trail going to Pizzazz, Yours Truly or other places. That’s good.  We want them to use our restaurants.

Chief Edelman stated, unfortunately you cannot legislate good manners.  I will look at it.

Mr. Marrie stated, they are probably going to be bicycling all the way down from Mayfield Heights.  With all due respect, Patsy, I understand where you are coming from.  I can’t imagine them getting off the bike at Seneca and walking it.

Mrs. Mills stated, they used to do it.

Mr. Jerome asked, is that sign still there?

Mrs. Mills replied, no, it’s been gone a long time ago.

Mr. DiNardo asked, should we look at widening the walk?

Mr. Marrie replied, that might be overkill.

Mrs. Mills stated, I think the Chief can look into this and see what would be feasible. Something he can control without too much trouble.  You can pass a law, but how are you going to enforce it? 

Chief Edelman stated, I can’t station somebody there on the corner all day long.

Mrs. Mills stated, that’s what I am saying.  You would have to actually see them.  Yet, there are people who ride in the street on SOM instead of using the bike path.

Mr. Marrie stated, I have walked the path down to the park many times. There are bikers who run right past you then too. I don’t know how you would stop them.

Chief Edelman stated, but what you are talking about, it’s not a bike path.  It’s a sidewalk.

Mrs. Mills stated, that’s a little different scenario.  I know you are mindful of all the traffic we have now around these shopping areas. We have to be mindful of the pedestrians.

Chief Edelman stated, I will look into it.

Mr. Jerome stated, some municipalities don’t let you go on sidewalks at all with bikes.  I don’t want to do that.

Mrs. Mills stated, we don’t want to get into that.

Mr. Marrie stated, that’s overkill.

Mrs. Mills stated, the Chief will come up with something.

Visibility at the corner of Meadowood and Eastgate

Mrs. Mills stated, this was another Village complaint on Eastgate. When she pulls out on to Meadowood, there’s big fir trees there.  I don’t know what you can do. When they are doing the sewer, can you get rid of them maybe? Chop them back?

Mr. Cappello stated, we can take a look at them.  Where are you talking about?

Mrs. Mills stated, where the point is.  Where Meadowood and Eastgate come together.  The trees belong to the Meadowood residents.  There’s a stop sign there. When people are coming up Meadowood, they go very fast. 

Mr. Jerome stated, even where Meadowood hits Thornapple too. 

Mr. Cappello stated, I will look at it.

Mrs. Mills stated, when you are out on the field, take a look at it.

Mr. DiNardo asked, what does our Ordinance read as far as setback at any corner?

Mr. Marrie stated, if it causes a sight problem, we have the right to clear it.

Fence between police station and house

Mr. Metzung will find out who that belongs to and let Mr. Jerome know.

Mr. Marrie stated, it looks like it needs rails only.

Mr. Cappello stated, we had a survey done when they did the police station.  I will look into who it belongs to.

Mr. Metzung stated, we thought it was hers, but we used to fix it when we broke it during softball, which is no longer there.  We can find out whose it is.

Mrs. Mills stated, she is no longer living in the house.

Turning lane at SOM Center and the Library

Mr. Cappello stated, we had a study done by Mike Schweikert.  He came up the required turning lane length.  That’s going to be part of next year’s road program.  We will incorporate it there.  Most of that median is going to have to be removed.  Some the other areas, especially where 500 SOM is, we will close that up with a median. I would hate to take all that green away. We are going to try to add as well as take away.  That will be next year’s road program.

Mr. Jerome stated, people will be happy to hear that.

Asking ODOT to clean up/cut brush under 271 bridge at Wilson Mills Road

Mr. Jerome stated, Doug, at one point you asked ODOT to clean up by the bridge. 

Mr. Cappello stated, I called today.

Mr. Jerome stated, it’s not as bad as it was.

Mr. Metzung stated, I have never seen them do it.  We have done it in the past.

Mr. Cappello stated, it’s the outsides of the bridges and underneath where the sun shines. It looks like junk.  I called them and they gave me the number to the Euclid yard.  I called and they were gone for the day.  I will call them tomorrow to find out. She seems to think it is part of their mowing contract.  It isn’t.

Mr. Metzung stated, we had to do it in the past.

Mr. Marrie stated, kill it so it doesn’t come back again next year.

Review of Drainage and Infrastructure Fund and Process

Mr. Jerome stated, I put this on here.  There seems to be a lot of potential issues for residents in the future with how much money we can spend with what the potential problems are.  I don’t know if it is something we want to go back and look if we need to at expanding it so where the amount of money put into the fund every year is larger or if the projects can be of larger size.  It is up to $10,000 and the resident pays 10%.  Should we go up to $20,000 and say up to 20% but up to a certain amount of money. It’s just a thought. We are having a lot of problems and a lot of residents want solutions.  Obviously we can only do so much. 

Mr. Marrie suggested, bring it up at the next infrastructure meeting.

Mrs. Mills asked, isn’t this something that is done by ordinance?

Mr. Wynne replied, yes.

Mrs. Mills stated, we will have to change that ordinance too.

Mr. Marrie agreed.

Mr. Jerome stated, I can bring this up at Caucus or Ordinance Review can check this out too.

Mr. Marrie suggested either that or kick it around at Drainage and Infrastructure so you have covered most of the things before you get there.

Mr. Metzung stated, so then you would come up with a recommendation.


Wilson Mills sidewalk east of SOM Center

Mr. Jerome stated, I talked to Diane about this. There’s an existing sidewalk from who knows when east of SOM Center and Wilson Mills.  I know there’s several residents by me that asked why it can’t be plowed in the winter.  I guess it’s too narrow.

Mr. Metzung agreed.

Mr. Jerome asked, should this be something at some point to look at?  We are doing all these trails but people can’t get to them.

Mr. Cappello stated, the reason is back then there was a petition.

Mrs. Mills stated, years ago, they had an Equalization Board review the sidewalks.  They decided that the sidewalk should remain where it was because when Steve was doing the survey some of that sidewalk would have been right up in their front yards.  They would lose a lot of bushes. People went crazy.  They did an ordinance saying that that sidewalk was to remain as it is from now to eternity.

Mr. Cappello asked, that was up to Beech Hill?

Mrs. Mills replied, it would have been about where Village Circle is now.

Mr. Cappello stated, okay.  What we did was from SOM to Beech Hill we extended it in 1998 from Beech Hill to Hanover. In the process, it was, do we want to go to 5, maybe even bigger.  The issue is we have the right away. But in order to make it stay within the pole from the edge of the pole, we would be encroaching the right of way, landscaping, retaining walls, trees. There’s all sorts of features. The decision was do we make people remove it and make them angry or work around it.  The decision was to work around it. Trust me, it was not a pleasant easy job to do because they couldn’t get the right size paver in there.  It got so narrow.  You could not back the truck up to dump asphalt.  It was a very labor-intensive process. In order to make it bigger, you would have to actually lose the features of the residents.  Not that it can’t be done.

Mr. Marrie stated, Doug had pointed out before that the snow can’t be removed because it’s too narrow for the machines.

Mr. Cappello stated, we would have to widen it. It’s in the right away, but you are encroaching on people’s landscaping features and trees and things like that so we decided to make this as low impact as possible at the time.  It doesn’t mean you can’t improve it. You have to make that decision.

Mrs. Mills asked, improving would mean more paving?

Mr. Cappello replied, widening.

Mrs. Mills stated, I don’t know how you are going to widen it, that’s the thing.

Mr. Cappello replied, you would have to cut trees, lose people’s landscaping.

Mrs. Mills stated, some of those people will go crazy.

Mr. Jerome stated, that’s probably the biggest issue I have heard from about 4-5 people. I will let them know why it is like this.

Mr. Cappello stated, we looked at going from Hanover to Echo. 

Mr. Jerome stated, it’s something to look at in the future.  The trails are great, but we have to get the residents to them safely.


Mr. Marrie asked, any other matters?

Ms. Wolgamuth stated, just one update. On the Library drive lighting, the underground installation is done. The poles are expected in on the 15th. They said it would be a half a day to three quarters of a day to put them up.

Mrs. Mills stated, thank you very much.

Mr. Marrie asked, anything else?

Chief Carcioppolo stated, the tornado siren vendor is working up an accurate map and cost.  I originally asked them for a price to put the old one back up.  The old one isn’t capable of covering all of Mayfield Village at the appropriate decibal amount for the ground it is covering.  We probably would need three separate sirens in order to do that in accordance with FEMA guidelines and standards.  I am waiting for her to come up with the pricing. 

Mrs. Mills stated, Chief Mohr had done a study. That was one of the things he would always talk about, the three sirens that you just spoke of.

Mr. Jerome asked, FEMA?  We don’t have to have it, correct?  What if we just put it up and it is what it is?

Chief Carcioppolo stated, if we are going to put it back up, it would be my recommendation that we put it up in accordance with the standards in place. What was there was put up as a civil defense siren.  It was utilized in a different capacity.

Mr. Marrie stated, there’s no sense in putting anything up that isn’t going to meet the standards.

Chief Edelman stated, if you don’t meet their standards, you have a problem if you have a crisis.

Chief Carcioppolo added, you are liable.

Mr. Marrie stated, that’s even more important.  It’s common sense.

Chief Carcioppolo stated, and if we put the old one back up and a resident did not hear the sirens and stayed in their living room and ended up in Oz, we would be liable for that.

Mrs. Mills stated, residents prefer Code Red over the siren.

Chief Carcioppolo stated, I was doing my due diligence since it was brought up before. 

Chief Carcioppolo reported, the Fire Station will be starting the exterior next week. 

Mr. Marrie stated, I personally think Code Red is outstanding. It’s done its job.  I also brought up the siren to you last time. With all of the problems with storms and tornadoes that we had.  We should at least look into it like you are doing.

Chief Carcioppolo just wanted to provide an update.  I will keep everyone posted.

Mr. Marrie stated, we have had so many horrific storms. Thank you for looking into it. Anything else?  There were no further matters.

There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at 7:30 p.m.  The next Safety and Service meeting is scheduled for Monday, November 3, 2014 in the Main Conference Room of the Mayfield Village Civic Center.

Respectfully submitted,

Mary E. Betsa, Clerk of Council