ARB - August 14th 2014

ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD
MEETING MINUTES
Mayfield
Village
Aug 14, 2014

The Architectural Review Board met in regular session on Thurs, August 14, 2014 at 7:30 p.m. at the Mayfield Village Civic Center Conference Room. Chairman Dinardo presided.

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ROLL CALL

Present: Mr. Ron Dinardo (Chairman), Mr. Joshua Klein (Chairman Pro-Tem), Mr. Ivo Tombazzi, and Mr. Carmen Miozzi

Absent: Mrs. MaryAnn Wervey

Also Present:  Mr. John Marrelli (Building Commissioner) and Ms. Deborah Garbo (Secretary)

CONSIDERATION OF MEETING MINUTES: June 26, 2014

Mr. Miozzi, seconded by Mr. Tombazzi made a motion to approve the minutes of June 26, 2014.

ROLL CALL

Ayes: Mr. Dinardo, Mr. Klein, Mr. Tombazzi, Mr. Miozzi                         
Nays: None

Motion Carried. Minutes Approved As Written.

PROPOSALS:

  1. Sunroom Raised Roof
    Joseph & Judith Gantous
    6715 Thornapple Dr.

    A.C. Elmo Construction
  2. Ground Signage
    Weber Wood Medinger
    730/ 740/ 750/ 760 Beta Dr.
    Signature Sign Company

 

OPEN PORTION:

Joseph & Judith Gantous
6715 Thornapple Dr.
Sunroom Raised Roof

Chairman Dinardo called the meeting to order, asking representative for Mr. & Mrs. Gantous to explain proposal.

Bud Elmo with A.C. Elmo Construction introduced himself. What’s happening is, someone built a flat roof on here and they’re getting water into their sunroom. I gave the homeowners a quote on raising the roof. You can see there’s a gable end. Structurally, the building underneath the sunroom was built substantial. We’ll extend the roofline to give it a 4 / 12 pitch. There’s a lot of unusual things going on here. I know if these plans had come to you beforehand, this would have never been approved the way it is. There’s a little box on the roof that has a skylight in it, it opens up into the attic. The people who built this boxed-in chimney, why they boxed it in, I don’t know. It’s all brick going up. My proposal is to give it a gable end. Keep the ridge between the chimney and the skylight and give him a 4 / 12 pitch so he can get that roof to drain. On this gable end side, we’ll make it all siding, we’ll side the whole thing. We’ll put a 1’ overhang on it and gutters.

Mr. Marrelli asked if he’ll be able to ventilate this area.

Bud Elmo replied, yes. We’re going to put a ridge vent on the top and vent the overhangs all the way.

Mr. Marrelli said you’re basically going to vent the roof above the roof. What are you doing with the roof underneath?

Bud Elmo replied, we’re opening up the roof underneath.

Mr. Marrelli asked, are you peeling the rubber roof off?

Bud Elmo replied, no. We can pop some vents in there.

Chairman Dinardo asked, how are you going to access that if they ever had to get in there for any reason, 10 years down the road? 

Bud Elmo replied, I’ll be very truthful, we never gave that a thought.

Mr. Marrelli notes it’s not a storage area, I don’t know why you’d go in there. Do you think they’d be opposed to a 20 x 20 hatch somewhere that they can get up in there to keep an eye on the deck & rafters?

Bud Elmo replied, I have never explored the existing gable.

Mr. Miozzi suggested pulling a 4 x 4 area of the sheathing & plywood off on this roof (not the flat roof), then you’re actually going to vent the other.

Bud Elmo said his problem right now is he doesn’t have any air movement and a lot of water coming in. We’re putting the ridge vent in and soffit vents on the overhang. We do know we have to ventilate the existing roof. Once we cut that 4’ hole in it, it’ll breathe.

Chairman Dinardo asked about the tie-in to the existing overhangs and existing pitch on the rear of house.

Bud Elmo clarifies the existing overhang will be coming off and will be brought in line with the house.

Chairman Dinardo asked how old the existing roof is. You don’t want to go through this whole exercise and have two different color roofs. 

Bud Elmo replied, can’t be more than 5 years, we’ll be able to match.

Mr. Miozzi commented. For whoever’s going to rough this, so they can get it right, the way your valley’s drawn right now, it’ll never hit your gutter.

Bud Elmo agreed.

Chimney height & materials

Mr. Miozzi states, we don’t have a side view of the house, so my concern is the extension of the chimney, you may have a drafting problem. 

Bud Elmo said we have two chimneys here. The one stays just as it is. Bud demonstrates on drawing.

Mr. Miozzi said when you put the rafters up here, you’re going to be adding at least 6 or 7 inches to the roof height on the back of the chimney.

Mr. Marrelli said the code says 2’ higher than where it goes through the roof.

Bud Elmo said 10’ over, 2’ higher.

Mr. Miozzi said right, this chimney’s going to have to get extended.

Bud Elmo said we’ll have to see when we get to it. I’ll tell you the truth, it’s hard to tell because the chimney’s awfully high as it is. But believe me, I understand what you’re talking about.

Mr. Marrelli said as long as you get 2’ out of the roof.

Chairman Dinardo said that’s an optical illusion in this photo. It sure looks low. That’ll be John’s call, he’ll be inspecting it.

Mr. Miozzi asked, on this other chimney, are you proposing to strip the side and take it back to the brick?

Bud Elmo replied, I don’t know what’s under there. I think they 2 x 4 studded it. All I know is if there was a permit issued on this job, somebody was sleeping.

Mr. Miozzi said I’d almost like to see this whole chimney sided all the way down because once you get that roof up there, it’s going to look like a siding of a chimney half way down it.

Chairman Dinardo said if there’s brick and it’s in good shape behind the vinyl siding, we’d recommend you leave it brick. If there’s some reason they covered it, we’d ask you to side the whole thing.

Bud Elmo will contact John when he gets to that point.  

Mr. Marrelli said we’ll make that call then, either leave it brick and tuck point it or we’ll put the siding back, as long as it’s not ½ & ½. Once the framing’s in, this’ll be discussed in the field.

Window & Door Trim

Chairman Dinardo asked about the material detail above the existing door and window.

Bud Elmo replied, it’ll be trim.

Chairman Dinardo asked, how will you handle the transition from trim to siding up there? It’s very awkward.

Bud Elmo replied, we won’t know until we get to that point.

Mr. Marrelli asked, can you back it up so that you can flush it out?

Mr. Miozzi sketches how he should be able to put the wall out at the plane, and then he’d just have a little soffit area. 

Bud Elmo said the weight bearing will be on the wall. This much out, we’ll just fudge it like we do a soffit, when we extend the soffit, there’ll be no weight on that at all.

Mr. Miozzi said you’d have to do that whole wall.

Bud Elmo agreed, the whole length.

Discussion ensued on transitioning detail options. 

Bud Elmo states the shingles might be a shade different, but they’re the same shingle. 

Chairman Dinardo said you might have to replace the whole back side. Bud Elmo agreed.

DECISION:

Mr. Klein, seconded by Mr. Miozzi made a motion to approve the proposal for Joseph & Judith Gantous at 6715 Thornapple Dr. as discussed.    

ROLL CALL

Ayes: Mr. Dinardo, Mr. Klein, Mr. Tombazzi, Mr. Miozzi 
Nays: None                                      

Motion Carried. Drawings Approved As Noted.

Weber Wood Medinger
Beta Center
730/740/750/760 Beta Dr.
Ground Signage

Chairman Dinardo moves onto the next agenda item.

James Vasey with Signature Sign Co. introduced himself. We’re proposing to do signage for the brick ground sign. We’re not laying the brick or doing the foundation work, that’ll be done by others. Our part of this job is the sign that sits on top of the brick. It’s the 8” aluminum panels, crown molding across the top, ½” thick PVC letters mounted onto that aluminum with polyurethane paints on both the PVC and aluminum.

Chairman Dinardo asked, the black base, is that aluminum also?

James Vasey doesn’t know.

Mr. Marrelli asked who is doing the base/masonry.

James Vasey doesn’t know. WWM has hired a contractor.

Mr. Marrelli states, we thought Signature Sign was doing the whole thing.

James Vasey said I asked, are we doing this whole project. The reply was no, the owner’s doing the brick work.  

Mr. Marrelli said we don’t know if this brick matches the buildings.

Chairman Dinardo said we can discuss this but can’t approve anything tonight. We’ll give our comments and you’ll need to come back.

Mr. Marrelli said we got the 30’ required setback. They’re not over height or area, but we don’t know whose building it or out of what material.

Chairman Dinardo asked about landscaping around the base.

James Vasey replied, I was told the planter there now will be removed. I’m thinking they’ll landscape around it.

Chairman Dinardo said you have black crown molding on the brick itself.

Mr. Marrelli asked, is that metal or plastic?

James Vasey replied, PVC product or high density urethane.

Chairman Dinardo asked, are there any signs on the building itself?

Mr. Marrelli replied, just big numbers on the building; 730/740/750/760. This is a multi-tenant building, four buildings. Each occupant has something on their glass door.

James Vasey said it’s a non-illuminated sign, aluminum structure. Letters and individual addresses will be PVC, studded and glued on. The white material is painted aluminum.

Mr. Marrelli asked, what happens when a lawn mower goes by and throws a rock into that aluminum?

James Vasey replied, it’s fairly thick aluminum.

Mr. Marrelli said you’ll need to bring in the material to show us the thickness of the aluminum. Are they going to paint it, spray or bake it?

James Vasey replied, spray painted. We use it on ground signs a lot.

Chairman Dinardo said I think we’re o.k. with the black letters on the white background. It’s very simple and clean. I’m not quite sure about that black crown molding on the brick. We don’t know the color of the brick. In general, the sign looks fine.

When you come back we’ll need the following information:

  1. Somebody to come with you to talk about the brick base.
  2. Crown molding mounting detail.
  3. Pictures of the buildings to see if the brick matches.
  4. Samples of the sign & materials.

 

DECISION:

  • TABLED
  • Applicant to return next meeting date on Thurs, Aug 28th per discussion.

 

ADJOURNMENT:

There being no further business, Mr. Miozzi, seconded by Mr. Klein made a motion to adjourn the meeting.

ROLL CALL

Ayes:   All                                       
Nays:   None                                           

Motion Carried. Meeting adjourned at 8:10 p.m.