ARB - April 11th 2013
ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD
April 11, 2013
The Architectural Review Board met in regular session on Thurs, April 11, 2013 at 7:30 p.m. at the Mayfield Village Civic Center Main Conf Room. Chairman Dinardo presided.
Mr. Ron Dinardo, Chairman
Mr. Joshua Klein, Chairman Pro-Tem
Mrs. Mary Ann Wervey
Mr. Carmen Miozzi
Mr. John Marrelli, Building Commissioner
Ms. Deborah Garbo, Secretary
CONSIDERATION OF MEETING MINUTES: March 28, 2013
Mr. Klein, seconded by Mr. Miozzi made a motion to approve the minutes of March 28, 2013 as written.
Ayes: Mr. Dinardo, Mr. Klein, Mrs. Wervey, Mr. Miozzi
Motion Carried. Minutes Approved As Written.
- Building Signage
Fine Foods * Great Spirits
845 SOM Ctr. Rd.
- Exterior Façade Renovation
818 – 830 SOM Ctr Rd.
HSB Architects & Engineers
- Mock up Banner – New Signage
731 Beta Dr.
Chairman Dinardo called the meeting to order beginning with Marra’s Market building signage. Fast Signs is here to present.
Fine Foods * Great Spirits
845 SOM Ctr. Rd.
Ed Davis with Fast Signs stated we’re proposing a wall sign just under 4 x 10 with marine outdoor plywood. It’ll be treated and painted. The acrylic lettering will be raised. The panel above will also be raised. It’s very simplistic. There’ll be exterior lighting just above it to illuminate. That’ll be done by an electrician.
Mr. Marrelli asked if Mr. Carney, the building owner approved this.
Ed Davis replied yes.
Chairman Dinardo asked John to share what is allowed.
Mr. Marrelli stated you’re allowed one (1) square foot for each front foot of space. I hope he has 40 feet across the front of his space. I think the whole length of that building is 75’. How much of that is the Market’s?
Ed Davis replied 43’ frontage.
Chairman said you also have to meet the width.
Mr. Marrelli said you have to include ‘Ohio Lottery’ & ‘Beer * Fine Wine’ in the square footage too. If he has 40’ across the front that he occupies, Marra’s Market, Ohio Lottery & Beer * Fine Wine all together can’t exceed 40 sq. ft.
Ed Davis said I’m at 40 sq. ft right now with the signage (not including the awning signage). They put this drawing together. I represent the ‘Marra’s Market’ sign, not the awnings. The Chiropractor sign is existing. The Salon Blu business is gone.
Mr. Marrelli said the original proposal for signage on that building was black letters.
Chairman said similar to the other shopping areas. We went with a consistent color, the font could change, but the color was the same.
Mr. Marrelli notes the Chiropractor has black lettering.
Chairman Dinardo said now we have a proposal to deviate from that and bring in colors.
Mr. Marrelli said if you start with colors in the middle, you’re going to get them on the sides too. I did mention to Mr. Marra that when the building was built it was black lettering that was permitted.
Ed Davis asked about a variance.
Mr. Marrelli said that’ll depend if this Board decides the middle one could be different from the ends.
Mr. Miozzi concerned the other properties will ask why we allowed red, green & white here and restricted theirs to black.
Mrs. Wervey asked Ed what he thinks about black letters to be consistent.
Ed Davis will propose it to the owner.
Chairman said you don’t want black lettering on a green awning. I’m fine with the white letters on the awning.
Mr. Miozzi said we’re not saying the red, white & green doesn’t look good. We like it. Board agrees.
Chairman Dinardo asked the Boards opinion on 2 colors. You want to make it pop. Will you come back with red, green & black letters?
Ed Davis doesn’t think you’ll get a good contrast with that.
Chairman Dinardo said we need to give you some good direction to come back. First we need to finalize how much sq. footage.
Mr. Marrelli said it’s finalized. It can’t exceed 40 sq. ft. in that copy.
Chairman said we can’t approve the sign at the top and then the awnings. We have to have a complete package.
Mr. Marrelli advised Ed to confirm the frontage then confirm the sq. footage. If it’s too big, start shrinking stuff. Maybe the ‘Market’ sign has to shrink a few sq. feet.
Ed Davis said that’s a large space up there. You really want to maximize whatever you can up there. The awnings aren’t existing. Nobody’s proposing the awnings at this time. This is just a rendering.
Mr. Marrelli doesn’t think it’ll look the same without the awnings. The awnings tie it together.
Ed Davis said the sign is 117” in length. The letters are about 6 – 8 inches.
Chairman said that’s a big triangle on the front façade to fill in. John, is the lighting that shines down o.k.?
Mr. Marrelli replied lighting should be o.k. as long as it doesn’t shine on the street.
Consensus is for applicant to come back with a complete package:
- Get sign down to required square footage.
- Have owner explain his plan for the awnings. Is he putting signage of them?
- Change all the proposed green to black.
Mr. Marrelli had explained to the applicant that when you’re in a multi-tenant building, there’s a requirement for consistency across the tenancy.
Ed Davis agrees with consistency. I think we ought to propose a black awning with white lettering.
Mr. Marrelli said or a white background with black letters, but that might get lost in the siding (Ed can put a black border around). That signage and the awnings look nice, I wouldn’t argue that.
Mrs. Wervey thinks it looks nice as well. It doesn’t look as nice without the awnings.
TABLED. Applicant to return with options per discussion.
George Argie Commercial Center (JADD Mall)
Exterior Façade Renovation
818 – 830 SOM Ctr. Rd.
HSB Architects & Engineers
Chairman Dinardo said our next item is for front façade renovations for George Argie’s building.
Bob Bajko from HSB Architects introduced himself. George sends his apologies. He had a personal commitment tonight.
Gabriel Fey from HSB Architects introduced himself.
Bob Bajko said everyone knows the center. It’s right next door. We’re going to stay with the black lettering. Mr. Argie wants to improve the look of the center to a certain point based on the tenancy he has here. He can’t just re-do the whole front façade. He wants to start with getting rid of the old board and batten look and clad the whole thing in dryvit or eifs to look similar to across the corner (Musca Plaza). Kind of wrap the whole thing with eifs and improve the whole store front. That’s the objective. Make the columns a little beefier wrapped in eifs, same thing. We talked about doing the insides white and soffits white for contrast along the storefront. We’ll put new sconces along the columns too.
Mr. Marrelli said watch the car clearance there by the columns, I think it’s pretty close. Across the street they had to tear all the walks out and deepen them because cars were bumping the columns.
Bob Bajko said we’ll check that out. Referring to the drawing, color is taupe with a band around it, a slight reveal a couple inches so the sign band is a little recessed.
Mr. Marrelli notes an error on the rendering. You show Michelle Cleaners on the end. The Perfect Gift occupies that space. My point is that she has a band of lights on the overhang that light up her sign. She’s the only one.
Bob Bajko states it’ll be one continuous cove lighting, LED.
Mr. Marrelli advised that has to be on a timer.
Bob Bajko states we’ll keep the roof. Baby steps at this point to see how it goes.
Mr. Marrelli asked about address signs.
Bob Bajko said good question.
Mr. Marrelli said we have to make sure the numbers are still visible.
Chairman Dinardo gets into the details. Do you really want to cover the pieces / parts? You have a lot of pieces / parts there.
Bob Bajko said the Contractor talked to George about that. He seemed comfortable with it.
Chairman said I’m not talking about the fascia. Not below the glass, I’m talking about all the mullions and returns.
Bob Bajko’s doing just enough to get a return on the eifs material so they can terminate at the window mullion.
Chairman asked if there’s a better way to detail that, i.e. a trim board and paint it? You’re going trough all this eifs.
Mr. Marrelli asked Chairman if he’s worried about the eifs getting damaged by people banging it. How wide are these mullions?
Bob Bajko replied a foot on each side of the door or maybe 10” – 12”. We’re going to pull up the batton, leave the sheathing behind it and put in another piece of board.
Mr. Marrelli said they have benches and flower pots there and if you bang into this stuff a couple times it starts to chip and crunch.
Bob Bajko said they make the eifs a lot better than it was. If you guys are o.k. with this look, we’ll work through the details. If you guys are comfortable with the durability of it, I don’t want to create a problem for the owner either.
Mr. Marrelli said if I were the owner, I’d be a little worried about having the corners chipping and things getting dented and banged up.
Chairman was wondering if he could do it with some sort of fypon or azek trim and just paint it.
Mr. Marrelli said they don’t want to paint stuff. He wants it maintenance free. Bob agreed.
Chairman Dinardo notes the contrast between the columns on the side and top versus the rear and front. It’s something to think about. Is it too small to have contrast?
Bob Bajko doesn’t want to make them all solid.
Mr. Marrelli asked Bob if he’s doing the signage too.
Bob Bajko isn’t sure.
Mr. Marrelli advised he’ll need to bring a sign package in.
Mrs. Wervey has a question about where the signage is today. It seems like you’re doing the same thing again.
Bob Bajko said if you look at it right now, there’s actually a piece of acrylic on top of the board and batten system. Not a huge difference. It’ll be a cleaner look.
Chairman asked about the lighting detail.
Bob Bajko will probably put a piece of wood wrapped in aluminum behind them. It’ll be something enough that’ll shield the light from the street. We might buy an already prefabricated system or something with brick metal. We’ll coordinate all this with the Contractor. We’ll put drawings together with all the electrical worked out & details. Tonight is just the look, the general direction we’re going in.
Large Dark Brown Side Panel
Mr. Miozzi suggests some detail here so it’s not so blank looking. Not necessarily recessed, maybe almost like the sign detail up front.
Front Car Parking
Chairman said John brought up a good point earlier about where the cars park in front of those posts. You really need to study that.
Bob Bajko agreed. To me, the more important is the width, but yes, we’ll get that depth down.
Chairman Dinardo summarizes. The end columns, do you want to return in a dark color instead of white? I think you guys are doing a nice job, design is great. We’re just picking up some of these details.
Mrs. Wervey said it’s plain looking, but it’s small. That’s just a statement.
Mr. Marrelli states that’s the idea. You can’t get too busy on something that small. Board agrees.
Chairman asked if it’s too small underneath the windows to do some trim to box out. John thinks it’s too small.
Chairman Dinardo recites a checklist into the record. You can submit to John for approval and you won’t need to come back.
- On the north & south side, the end panels are going to be inset. The Columns that face the north & south on the ends, you’ll do in a darker color.
- Look to a more impact resistant Dryvit.
- Light to be added to front fascia wrapped in aluminum.
- Sign Board to be continuous along the front.
- Pedestrian Walk must work with columns.
- Replace surface mounted Light fixtures.
- Gutter Boards to be painted. Do not wrap in aluminum.
- Separate submittal to ARB for Signage.
- Lighting needs to shut off by 11:00 p.m. Needs to be on timer.
Mr. Miozzi, seconded by Mrs. Wervey made a motion to approve the proposed Exterior Façade Renovations for George Argie at 818 – 830 SOM Ctr Rd. as noted:
- Applicant to submit drawings to John for approval addressing the checklist items as discussed.
Ayes: Mr. Dinardo, Mr. Klein, Mrs. Wervey, Mr. Miozzi
Motion Carried. Drawing Approved & Signed As Noted.
ANY OTHER BUSINESS:
- Deacon's Revision
Mr. Marrelli said Deacon’s is getting ready to start. They did their shop drawings on their steel. It resulted in raising the parapet two (2) feet on the front façade. I just wanted to let this Board know. It’s actually going to be better because now you won’t see any equipment up there. Board agreed.
Mr. Marrelli said now we have the Musca Plaza, JADD Mall, Charter One, the Library and soon to have Deacon’s Chrysler.
Mr. Klein said it’s like 20/20 around here.
Chairman said the Library looks fantastic. Reminder the Grand Opening is April 20th from 2:00 to 5:00 p.m. Board Consensus is the ground sign is too pink. Christopher Diehl is addressing the pink sign. When you look at the Library, pay attention to the side where the drive-thru is, the thin columns. As Board Members the original design intent was to have those thin columns. I want you to see the reason why we changed it and why it looks so much better now.
- Mock up Banner
731 Beta Dr.
Chairman Dinardo concludes with the last item. The gentleman who owns Sign-R-Ama put a mock up sign on the front of the building at 731 Beta (Panzica’s building) and wanted us to look to see if it’s the right height.
Consensus is it could be raised one soldier course. It would then be centered. To specify, currently the bottom of the sign is at the top of the 2nd soldier course. The bottom of the sign should be at the top of the 3rd soldier course.
There being no further business, Mr. Miozzi, seconded by Mr. Klein made a motion to adjourn the meeting.
Motion Carried. Meeting adjourned at 8:30 p.m.