Safety & Service: September 11th 2017

Main Conference Room – Mayfield Village Civic Center
Monday, September 11, 2017- 7:15 p.m.

The Safety and Service Committee met on Monday, September 11, 2017 in the Main Conference Room at the Mayfield Village Civic Center.  Chairman Marrie presided and called the meeting to order at 7:15 p.m.

ROLL CALL:          

Present: Mr. Marrie and Mrs. Mills

Also Present: Mayor Bodnar, Mr. Williams, Mr. Wynne, Mr. Metzung, Chief Edelman, Chief Carcioppolo, Mr. McAvinew, Mr. Cappello, Ms. Wolgamuth, and Mrs. Betsa


  • 317G Compact Track Loader

Mr. Metzung reported, this is a piece of equipment that we rent twice a year typically.  We have been spending between $5,000-10,000 a year renting this.  We thought it would make sense to purchase one and it will pay for itself in 8 or 9 years.  So it just made sense for us to finally go ahead and make that expenditure now.

Chairman Marrie asked, what is this used for?

Mr. Metzung replied, we use it for tree planting a lot. We use it for grubbing a lot.  Those are the two main things we use it for presently, that we rent it for.  But when we have it, it is a utility-type of loader.  It’s used in landscaping.

Chairman Marrie asked, it’s not a complete front-end loader?

Mr. Metzung replied, no.  It’s a very small unit.  If you have seen the skid-steers with their little bobcats on it, that’s basically what it is.  You can put attachments on it.  We have been renting it for the auger. That’s how we cut the Grove when we cut it once a year, that backside, we have to use that.  We cut at the retention pond by my building.  Everywhere you want to go once a year and try to cut, that’s what you use that machine for.  When we have this machine, we will use it all summer long for landscape projects. Scott is going to work on The Grove this coming week.  It would be a beautiful machine for him to have for that.

Chairman Marrie asked, any questions?

There were none.

Chairman Marrie stated, all right.  We will move it on to Finance then.

Mr. Metzung stated, the exact pricing is $46,807.  We are buying it through State purchasing.

  • Spray patching of Wilson Mills Road east of SOM Center

Mr. Metzung reported, this is not a new technique, but it will be new to us.  We are going to go out on to Wilson Mills east where we have all of the cold patching.  Basically what we are going to do is try to create a bandaid over those patches to help hold them throughout the winter so we are not out there all winter trying to patch that.  What they are going to do is grind off three quarters of an inch of the cold patch and spray patching which is kind of a chip seal kind of thing.  They blow the whole drive, blow tar into the hole, blow stone and tar mixed together into the hole and then a little stone on top of it and then it’s rolled.  It will be a little messy for the first day or two but the loose stones will kick off just like any other chip seal.  It holds up pretty well.  The amount of money we are going to spend on it and the longevity we hope to get out of it can hold us a year or two until we can get funding together to go ahead and just replace that road.  We have spent a lot of money doing sections along there throughout the years.  It’s time.  It needs to get torn up and redone but we are not there yet.

Mrs. Mills stated, that road is probably over 20 years old, don’t you think?

Mr. Metzung asked, it’s 12?

Mr. Cappello replied, we did it in 2003, 2004 or 2005.  We resurfaced it when we built the wall going down.  That’s the last time it was resurfaced.

Mr. Metzung stated, we have had numerous repairs done on it.  We paid for it the one time as part of one of our road programs where we did several areas along there.  Another time when they were doing Mayfield Road they wanted to use Wilson Mills as the detour and we said you can’t.  The road’s a mess.  So they agreed to do some paving along there to fix it up so that they could use it as a detour.

Chairman Marrie stated, temporarily.  But we are definitely thinking about doing it for real instead of throwing money in the hole?

Mr. Metzung replied, doing a resurfacing, yes.

Mr. Cappello stated, usually the cycle for resurfacing is 10-12-14 years.  We are at that point.

Mrs. Mills stated, when they did the big nature thing on Wilson Mills, they did the whole road, the culverts and everything.  That was a big job.

Mr. Metzung stated, that was before my time.  That was many years ago.  That is where we need to go again.

Chairman Marrie asked, any questions?

There were none.

Chairman Marrie stated, all right.  We will pass it along to Finance then.


  • White-tailed Deer Management

Mr. Williams stated, in my neighborhood, we have somewhat taken it for granted that we have deer marching through.  Another resident is a little stronger about her concerns.  Others have started to express themselves about how deer are starting to basically tear up their yards.

Chairman Marrie stated, they eat all of ours.   They don’t tear it up, they just eat everything.  It runs between ours and Thornapple.  They come out of the woods and go right down into the park.  It’s nothing to see 5, 6, 7 of them at one time.

Mr. Williams stated, easy.   At all times, day and night.

Chairman Marrie stated, we spray that deer spray and so forth and I am not sure that works at all.  For a short time, but it’s not permanent, at all.

Mr. Williams stated, coincidentally, I attended a Citizen’s Advisory meeting and we talked about it there.  Ms. Wolgamuth was there.  She happened to be signed up to attend a session on White-Tailed Deer Management in Municipalities in Northeast Ohio.  She brought back a lot of good feedback and a lot of good information.  I sat with her last week and I thought I was sitting next to a warden.  I was hoping we could start a dialogue on this situation.  Not necessarily come up with any solutions at the moment but to let our residents know we are thinking about it and would like to help in solving it if there is a way to solve it.

Chairman Marrie asked, does anyone have some thoughts or want to throw something out?

Mrs. Mills stated, I have a lot of information.  The life span of the white-tailed deer is about 4 and a half years.  They removed 36 deer this past February here in the park.  How they do it is, after the first snowfall, the rangers know the path of the deer because they have their own little roadways.  They look at where the hoofmarks are so they know exactly where they are, so they post that.  The next thing is they go up in the air and do an infrared camera study so then they know exactly where they are.  Then they put up the blinds and that’s when they do the culling.  The aim for the park is to have 10-15 deer per square mile for foraging for eating.  A mature deer, the doe, usually when she’s about a year and a half and two years is when she can reproduce.  The first pregnancy she has she has one.  The next she has two.  That’s not a given. That’s just what they compiled.  The Natural Resources person down here is Erik Schaffer and the main man for the entire area, he does our park and Euclid, that’s Terry Robertson.  He’s in charge of all of the parks.  It’s very interesting.  The park has a lot of problems because they have eaten most of the trilliums and things like that that are available.  And they eat the bark off the trees too when they get hungry enough.  We have taken away their places to live and eat so where are they going to go?  They are going to go where it’s the path of least resistance.  When you go into these nurseries around here and we have some pretty good nurseries that will tell you and they will give you information on plants that you can put in your garden that they do not like.  I put zinnias at my driveway.  They do not touch zinnias at all which is very interesting.  I don’t know why.  Because zinnias are kind of fuzzy.  Maybe they don’t like that.  There are very few things that they don’t like but everywhere they have a stand of woods and they cut them down for housing or whatever then that gives the deer less and less places to eat and hide.  Their homes are gone. So they are going to come into residential areas.  They were here before we were.  Deb Marcinski said perhaps we should get this Erik Schaffer to come in and maybe talk with Citizen’s Advisory.  As a Garden Club member, we have these nurseries come in.  They give us sheets on the plants they will not eat.  That’s what you have to do.  There’s a fencing you can use too.  It’s kind of a fuzzy fencing.  I don’t know.  That would be expensive to put up. I have never done that. I use the spray all the time and it works.

Ms. Wolgamuth stated, and I spoke with Terry Robertson and he confirmed the numbers that we just said.  He said they took 37 deer this past year.  The year before they took 64, but it’s all based on their survey, so their aerial survey, they are seeing how many are in the area.  He thought that because the Metroparks are here, that certainly helps the Village.

Mrs. Mills stated, oh, it does.

Ms. Wolgamuth added, it probably helps less in Worton Park because you are further away from the park, but the areas near the park, I think that helps.  He said what we should be doing is exactly what we did.  We looked at our statistics, our accidents, how many deer we have had picked up by the animal warden and he said to track complaints because if you were going to go to the State and try to get a permit to do any kind of culling, you would have to show those numbers.  You would have to show that you have a problem before the State would allow the Village to do anything anyway.

Mrs. Mills stated, I can’t see that you could really cull anything here because of the proximity of our homes.  I don’t think the Chief would like that.  I know in Gates Mills you can buy a permit for bow and arrow, but you are talking about 3, 5, 10 acres.

Ms. Wolgamuth stated, I was going to say, you are allowed to combine your acreage and there’s a minimum amount of acreage per home.

Mrs. Mills stated, exactly.  And when they cull these deer, they take them to a butcher or wherever and that meat goes to the homeless somewhere.  They go to the food pantry.  The meat is used.  Their theory in the park is if you kill it, you eat it.  I wouldn’t want to see this become like a Solon situation. They went on for two or three years trying to get some of the deer culled and they had lines they set up with bow and arrows in residential areas.

Chairman Marrie asked, Chief, have you ever been asked to do any culling?

Chief Edelman replied, no. I will never let it happen here.

Chairman Marrie asked, who does it, the rangers down in the park?

Mrs. Mills replied, yes.

Chairman Marrie stated, our place is kind of dense for that.

Mrs. Mills stated, in the park, they know where the deer are.  They set up the blinds and the deer come and they use their bow and arrows and it’s very simple.  Here, I have the deer come through the yard, a mother and two fawns, they walk the same path every day.

Chairman Marrie stated, especially in the winter, you can see it right across Jean’s backyard, down my sideyard, across the front and they jump over the fence.  Where they go from there, I don’t know.

Mrs. Mills stated, if you have a four foot fence, from a standing position they can go over the top.  That’s how good they are.

Chairman Marrie stated, and they do eat everything.  There’s some things they to shy away from but we put plants in that said deer proof but when they are hungry, they will eat anything.

Mrs. Mills stated, they like evergreens.  They do trim bushes for you.  They do a pretty good job.  I think we have to address this at Citizen’s Advisory, but I wouldn’t want it to become a hotbed of a bad scenario where you are going to have a lot of rhetoric about it.  I think the park is really a Godsend for us.

Ms. Wolgamuth stated, Mr. Williams and I talked about asking the animal warden or maybe someone from the Metroparks to do an article for the Voice of the Village just telling people what they can to do help keep them out of their yard. I had my hair done last week and my hairdresser said people come and get hair clippings from her all the time.

Mrs. Mills stated, they do, but it doesn’t work.

Ms. Wolgamuth asked, it doesn’t work?

Mrs. Mills replied, no.  That hair is clean hair after it has been cut.  You need to have dirty hair to spread around.  You can also hang Irish Spring up.

Ms. Wolgamuth stated, and another thing we should mention.  Just a couple days ago, we got word from the animal warden that there is a virus going around. I don’t know if you have heard about it. It’s been in the newspaper and we put an announcement on our website.  It’s caused by midges or gnats that bite the deer.  In a couple days, the deer die.  He said this happens every year.  Every 5th year it’s worse.  This is the 5th year.  The last time it was bad was 2012 so you can expect we are going to lose a pretty decent amount of the herd this year. He said that until the frost, once the frost hits, the midges will die and it will be over.  But for now, we may be losing deer naturally to this virus as well so that probably will reduce the herd some.

Chairman Marrie stated, bring that up at Citizen’s Advisory too.

Mrs. Mills stated, all we can do is give Citizen’s Advisory all the knowledge we have and hopefully they are going to use their common sense with this because that’s what it takes.

Mr. Williams stated, what Diane and I talked about is that we work together toward creating a level of education and put some time and effort into it and make it a quality program.

Mrs. Mills stated, I think they have to know that we are aware of the problem.  It isn’t something we are not aware of. We have been aware of it for the last 20 years.

Chairman Marrie stated, okay.  Any other items?

There were none.

There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at 7:30 p.m.