ARB: May 9th 2019

ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD
MEETING MINUTES
Mayfield Village
May 9, 2019

The Architectural Review Board met in regular session on Thurs, May 9, 2019 at 7:30 p.m. at the Mayfield Village Civic Center Main Conference Room. Chairman Miozzi presided.          

ROLL CALL

Present: Mr. Carmen Miozzi (Chairman), Mr. Steve Varelmann (Chairman Pro Tem), and Mr. Tom Lawler

Also Present: Mr. John Marrelli (Building Commissioner) and Ms. Deborah Garbo (Secretary)

Absent: Dr. Jim Triner

CONSIDERATION OF MEETING MINUTES: April 25, 2019

Chairman Miozzi, seconded by Mr. Varelmann made a motion to approve the minutes of April 25, 2019 as written.

ROLL CALL:

Ayes: All
Nays: None

Motion Carried. Minutes Approved.

PROPOSALS:

  1. Awning Addition
    Brian DiCicco
    6835 Metro Pk Dr.
  2. Three-Season Room Addition
    John & Cathlyn Murphy
    1028 Worton Pk Dr.
    Phoenix Construction
  3. Detached Garage
    Gary Stromberg
    6476 N. Aintree Pk Dr.
    New Creation Builders

OPEN PORTION:

Chairman Miozzi called the meeting to order beginning with the first item on the agenda. 

Brian DiCicco
6835 Metro Pk Dr.
Awning Addition

Brian DiCicco introduced himself. I’m adding on an awning at the side of my garage, attached to the house. My garage is a full size garage, full size door, 7’ high, 16’ wide, probably a 20 x 24 standard garage. The problem I have with this is, I have access to my basement with a 4 foot wide cut out with stairs going down to access the basement, so I can’t get two cars in the garage. I’m trying to accomplish getting a car out of the weather and getting access to the house without going through the rain.

Mr. Marrelli asked Brian to explain the door and the windows.

Brian DiCicco said, that window will come out. Left side of that will be a 32” door. I think that window itself is 2’ x 8’. So you have a 32” door on the left and I’ll put a new window to the right side of that, same opening. You’ll have between the window and the door close to 12 inches.

Mr. Marrelli asked, you don’t have to replace any siding?

Brian DiCicco replied, whatever I remove will be replaced. It’ll be the same siding. The header will be the same.

Mr. Varelmann asked what type of door.

Brian DiCicco replied, fiberglass, solid door in brown.

Chairman Miozzi said, this will be seen from the street. I’m all for letting everyone do what they want to do on their own property. I just think that the shed roof off of the garage, because it’s facing forward, I’d almost want to see a hip roof going into the other hip, so from the street it looks like you didn’t just throw a shelter on it.

Mr. Marrelli said, that’s pretty much what it is, it’s an awning. I don’t know how you’d do the other, unless you extended the garage roof.

Brian DiCicco said, the practicality of the whole thing is I’m trying to get a car under some shelter and out of the rain.

Mr. Lawler asked, will it be asphalt shingled?

Brian DiCicco replied, asphalt shingles, the same shingle as the house has right now. I put a roof on about 4 years ago.

Mr. Varelmann asked Brian about the shelter dimensions.

Brian DiCicco replied, it’s 7’ down to the bottom of that 2 x 8 and on the other side a foot over to that 14’ 6”. I plan on putting a gutter on it. I have a storm drain that runs off that west side of my house, goes into a catch basin between mine and my neighbor’s house and that goes out all the way out to the street.

Mr. Lawler asked, what kind of finish on these wood columns?

Brian DiCicco replied, 4 x 6 treated wood. I’d probably let it sit for 2 years before I paint it.

Mr. Marrelli asked, what’s it going to look like from the street as far as colors goes?

Brian DiCicco replied, the fascia and outer rafters will be wrapped in brown coil. The two fascia boards to the north and the south will be wrapped in brown coil also.

Mr. Lawler asked, where’s your gutter draining, I don’t see that.

Mr. Marrelli replied, there’s a drain in the yard.

Brian DiCicco said, you won’t see the gutter, the gutter will be towards my backyard.

Mr. Marrelli said, this is all about what’s it going to look like when you drive by.

Brian DiCicco replied, I understand that.

Mr. Varelmann said, two things. One thing is that you require a 1 x 10 and it covers 2 x 8. But if you cut this horizontal at some point, you could use a 1 x 8, or a 1 x 6 or something else-

Discussion ensued on cutting down the board.

Mr. Varelmann said, the idea was to make it look thinner, less bulky and I don’t think you need that much board for structural strength. This section applies throughout the whole distance of this. At least it’ll be an attempt to relate to your house.

Chairman Miozzi asked, are you doing anything with the underneath?

Brian DiCicco replied, the underneath’s going to be all soffit.

Mr. Varelmann said, it makes sense to make the soffit horizontal like the rest of your house.

Brian DiCicco said, it won’t be easy. The bottom of the soffit’s going to be nailed to every single one of those rafters on that angle.

Mr. Varelmann said, let’s distinguish between what is a soffit and what is a ceiling.

Brian DiCicco replied, they’d be the same.

Mr. Marrelli asked, is that a vinyl ceiling?

Brian DiCicco replied, vinyl brown soffit, vented soffit all the way through.

Mr. Marrelli asked, is there any way you can hang this on the rafter so that it’s flat underneath on the overhang? Just so it’s not a bunch of boards just hanging out in midair because that’s kind of what it’s looking like.

Brian DiCicco replied, it was hard to draw.

Mr. Varelmann asked if there’s anything in the code that allows this. To Carmen’s point about the hip roof, that would be an extension of his existing roof.

Mr. Marrelli replied, that’s all architectural license. That’s pretty much what we’re doing here.

Mr. Varelmann asked John, have you seen this anywhere else around Mayfield Village?

Mr. Marrelli replied, I have not. I’ve seen a couple detached garages where they bought an aluminum awning and hung it out there and put it out in the backyard, but you can’t see it from the road. This happens to be attached to the house which you can see it from the road, as this is going to have some mass to it, so it’s going to be visible. We need to get it right.

Brian DiCicco said, I have a double lot there with 150’ frontage. I would say that the majority of frontages in Mayfield Village don’t have 150’ frontages. 

Chairman Miozzi said, that’s not the question. The question is, how is it looking from the street? Behind the house, not a problem, in the backyard, not a problem, nobody sees it. Take a look what I’ve drawn here to help you understand if you do a hip. A hip, since it is narrower than the actual wall itself, if you did a hip there and it flattened out here into the other roof, it would look like it was part of the house to begin with.

Mr. Lawler asked, are you planning on framing this and everything yourself?

Brian DiCicco replied, yes.

Mr. Lawler said, it seems like cost reduction is something you’re going for. I think what John was getting at is we haven’t seen this anywhere in Mayfield Village. It’s not aesthetically as pleasing as your whole house structure tied together. It looks like an addition, it doesn’t look natural. But at the same time, you have a good plan of attack, it’s just a little awkward.

Mr. Varelmann said, it’s a little bit clumsy.

Mr. Lawler asked, does it look better if you frame out box columns on the left here and add stone near there? Would that help at all?

Mr. Marrelli asked, does it have to be that deep, does it have to be 14’ wide? Does that have to be as wide as the pads?

Mr. Varelmann said, I think this should be horizontal to match this. And you’re putting soffit and ceiling everywhere anyway.

Brian DiCicco asked, just that 18 inches?

Mr. Varelmann replied, yes. At least it relates somehow to your existing structure.

Brian DiCicco said, I don’t want to cut that board. I think structurally you’re ruining the integrity of that board.

Chairman Miozzi said, if you did it at 5 ½ inches, you’re not compromising the structure of the boards. All the structure is sitting on top of there.

Mr. Varelmann said, if you look at the Residential Building Code, you’ll find that they allow 2 x 4’s for certain ceilings-

Mr. Marrelli said, and you’re allowed to notch up to 1/3 the depth of the board.

Mr. Varelmann asked, how did you arrive at 2 x 8?

Brian DiCicco replied, I looked at tables. Snow load was a concern.

Mr. Marrelli said, you’re going to have to strap those all down.

Brian DiCicco explains the installation of hurricane straps. 

Mr. Varelmann said, there’s also a Simpson base that’s in concrete and it creates a connection with the post so it doesn’t allow it to move.

Brian DiCicco said, I work at the Perry Plant, I made this stainless steel base you see on the drawing. It’s welded by our Certified Welder. That’s way stronger than the Simpson.

Mr. Marrelli asked, how do you connect the posts to this and what about the sides?

Brian DiCicco replied, with a 1/8” - 3/16” thick bracket and stainless steel screws.

Mr. Varelmann asked, roof shingles to match existing?

Brian DiCicco replied, yes. I put that roof on 4 years ago.

Mr. Varelmann asked, the brown vinyl coated aluminum is the same you have on there now?

Brian DiCicco replied, yes. The fascia board and outer rafters will be wrapped in the brown coil.

Mr. Varelmann asked, white gutter?

Brian DiCicco replied, almond beige to match.

Mr. Varelmann said, the only thing I’d like to see is the soffit on the overhang be horizontal.

DECISION:

Mr. Lawler, seconded by Mr. Varelmann made a motion to approve the Awning Addition for Brian DiCicco at 6835 Metro Park Dr. as noted.

  • The soffit on the overhang to be horizontal.

Chairman Miozzi asked, any discussion?

Board consensus is to continue discussion prior to voting.  

Chairman Miozzi said, as I stated, I’m all for letting people do what they want to do. I just think facing the street, it should look like it was part of the house, not just added on just to give people protection. If this is what we’re going to approve, then we’ll be approving it in other places.

Mr. Marrelli said, that’s why we brought it here, because this is new territory. If it was a garage addition, this would be simple. He’d just be bringing the wall out, sending the roof over, doing a single door next to a double door and then you have a 3-car garage, a piece of cake.

Chairman Miozzi said, but he wouldn’t put a shed roof on it.

Mr. Marrelli said no, he wouldn’t.

Chairman Miozzi said, but that’s essentially what we’re doing here. 

Mr. Varelmann asked, is there anything in our code about car ports?

Mr. Marrelli replied, no. It’s not even in the definitions. This is like a garage addition if you will. You could call it a car port, you can call it an awning, and you can call it a patio.

Mr. Varelmann said, how about if we table this and I’ll review the code personally and see if there’s anything about it that relates.

Chairman Miozzi said, if you guys think it looks o.k., then fine, I’ll go along with it. I just think if it was off the back of the house where you couldn’t see it, fine. This here is what this Board is about. It’s not like there’s no other way that it could be done.

Mr. Varelmann said, that’s true.

RESCIND MOTION:

Mr. Lawler, seconded by Chairman Miozzi made a motion to rescind the motion. 

ROLL CALL

Ayes: Mr. Miozzi, Mr. Varelmann, Mr. Lawler     
Nays: None                          

Motion Carried. Motion Rescinded.

DECISION:

Mr. Lawler, seconded by Mr. Varelmann made a motion to table the proposal as noted:

  • Mr. Varelmann to research the code to find anything that relates specifically to this type of addition.

ROLL CALL

Ayes: Mr. Miozzi, Mr. Varelmann, Mr. Lawler      
Nays: None                          

Motion Carried. Proposal TABLED.

Following motion to Table, lengthy discussion ensued with Board Members and Applicant.  

Brian DiCicco said, for what I’m trying to do and going into something like that, I might as well put an addition on the house. That’s a lot of work for 14’, that’s intense. Do you know what I mean? If I contracted that out, it’d be pretty pricey to try to keep a car out of some weather.

Chairman Miozzi replied, I understand.

Mr. Marrelli asked, that’s not the only way in the basement, is it?

Brian DiCicco replied, no. That stairway’s been there since the house was built.

Mr. Marrelli asked, are you doing this because there’s a 4 foot stairway inside your garage? For the fun of it, if you eliminated that by boarding it up on the floor, could you pull your car up to that and overhang that? If you put a curb over that stairway, could you pull up to it and not use the stairway?

Brian DiCicco replied, I could get two cars in the garage, yes. I don’t know if I want to lose that stairway.  

Mr. Marrelli said, it would be a lot cheaper than doing this. We’ll let the Board put their heads together and see if they come up with a better plan.

Mr. Lawler said, based on some of the things we talked about, come back in two weeks, and we’ll talk about some options.

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John & Cathlyn Murphy
1028 Worton Pk Dr.
3-Season Room Addition

Chairman Miozzi moved to the next proposal for John & Cathlyn Murphy.

John Murphy introduced himself and Don Doyle with Phoenix Construction. As you can see in the pictures, the rear end of the house was struck by a tree at the end of February. We’re adding on to this portion of the house and repairing the roof in the back.

Don Doyle points out the wall that the tree fell on. We’re going to add this 7’ section and change the walls out to here and redo the roof.

John Murphy said, it was an angular room that came down to a point like this.

Mr. Marrelli said, you’re basically opening it up like an octagon.

Don Doyle said, it was a small shed roof in there. We’d like to come up at least to a 5 / 12 which is what the rest of the house is.

Mr. Marrelli asked, those double doors, are they still good, coming out of the den?

Don Doyle replied, yes.

Mr. Marrelli said, just so you know, the house is concrete block painted, so there’s no siding to be dealt with to match.

Don Doyle said, we’ll use white vinyl siding. Shingles to match.

Mr. Lawler asked, do you have a roofer on board?

Don Doyle replied, no.

Mr. Varelmann asked, any trim around the windows or corners?

Don Doyle replied, minimal, yes.

Mr. Lawler asked, casement windows?

Don Doyle replied, we’re looking at double hung.

Mr. Lawler asked, this new door, what’s the finish on it?

Don Doyle replied, probably fiberglass black/brown, wood frame, probably Therma-Tru.  

Mr. Marrelli asked, are you going to have any clearance to grade from that? Looks pretty flat back there. That door looks like it’s on the ground.

Don Doyle replied, there’ll be 6 – 8 inches, like one step down. We have to replace the concrete pad.

Mr. Marrelli asked, do you have to put in vapor barrier and all that, because it’s enclosed now?

Don Doyle replied, yes.

Mr. Marrelli asked, no heat?

Don Doyle replied, no heat and electrical is already there. We’re sort of rebuilding the wall that got demolished, just making it a bit larger.

DECISION:

Mr. Lawler, seconded by Chairman Miozzi made a motion to approve the proposed 3-Season Room Addition for John & Cathlyn Murphy at 1028 Worton Pk Dr. as proposed.

Chairman Miozzi asked, any discussion? There was none.   

ROLL CALL

Ayes: Mr. Miozzi, Mr. Varelmann, Mr. Lawler     
Nays: None                          

Motion Carried. Drawings Approved.

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Gary Stromberg
6476 N. Aintree Pk Dr.
Detached Garage

Chairman Miozzi moved to the final agenda item, 6476 N. Aintree Pk Dr.

Diane Bija with New Creation Builders introduced herself. We’re building a standard 22 x 22 detached garage. It’ll have vinyl siding, a Birchwood shingle which matches the house, white trim, and a raised panel 16’ x 7’ door and a man door.

Mr. Marrelli asked how far away the garage will be from the house.

Diane Bija replied, 11’.

Mr. Marrelli said, this is on a private street, it’s not on a public street. It’s kind of a weird situation. There’s an existing garage there now, it’s far from the house, about 60-70 feet away from the house, it’ll come down.

Diane Bija apologized for the incorrect placement of the proposed garage on the site plan (will submit a revised drawing showing the garage 11’ from the house). 

Mr. Marrelli said, I suggested at least 11’ so they don’t have to fireproof the wall. It’s a weird thing, there’s a driveway that goes to nothing, then there’s another driveway, you go down the street if you will, you’re on the street, if you want to call it a street, then you come up the driveway and then you go north into this garage, it’s practically not even on the site. The new garage will be just off the house. Really, the garage is down here, 5’ off the property line.

Mr. Varelmann asked, does that start to get close to the setback?

Mr. Marrelli replied, it’s not a dedicated street, so there isn’t any setback.

Gary Stromberg said, we’ll build 11’ away from the house, we’ll redo that parking that exists now, and the garage will be flush with the house.

Mr. Marrelli said, I thought maybe you would want the garage back more so you could put a couple cars in the driveway. So that you realize, your front door of your garage will be right at the street. People will be able to walk down your street and look in your garage, practically walk in your garage. Forty eight feet back is not necessary, but I sure wouldn’t put it right up on the road.

Chairman Miozzi suggested maybe 30’ back.

Mrs. Stromberg said, we have a well.

Mr. Marrelli said, as long as you don’t build a garage on a well, you’re fine.

Mr. Marrelli pointed out, if you put this garage up here, you’re like 5’ off the pavement. If somebody comes around the corner and loses control, your garage is gone.

  • Setback from street - Correction

Gary Stromberg clarified, it’s going to be 22’ back from the pavement.

Mr. Marrelli asked in jest, is that your final answer?

Gary Stromberg replied, yes that’s what the guy measured.

Mr. Marrelli said ok, we’ll need a corrected site plan drawing. That’s better, 22’ off the pavement. You heard, that’s his final answer.

Diane Bija states, before we do the pre-pour, I’m going to have it staked out and have them approve it. That way we’ll have stakes in and all parties will be on the same page.

Mr. Marrelli said, I have the concept now how you want to at least be able to stick a car in there and then the garage, so you put 2 in the garage, 2 on the drive and you could have some breathing room, 11’ off the house. 

Mr. Varelmann asked, you’re calling for Vinyl Double 4” siding?

Diane Bija replied, yes and the trim will be white to match the house. The Tuscan Clay matches the house, then the Birchwood shingle. We’ll have a 5” overhang off the side of the roof.

Mr. Marrelli asked about gutters.

Diane Bija replied, we’re going to tie it into a splash block.

Mr. Marrelli asked, are you on septic?

Mrs. Stromberg replied, we have sanitary connection, no storms and well water.

Mr. Marrelli said, this house was actually a barn. You couldn’t tell by looking at it now. When that girl re-did everything, she was shoveling hay out of there, it was crazy.

Diane Bija said, no you couldn’t tell, it’s beautiful.

Mr. Marrelli said, they’ll pitch the garage floor out the front so it’ll drain. Are you going to put lights out there?

Diane Bija asked, did you get our electrical packet?

Mr. Marrelli replied, no.

Diane Bija said, it’ll be APT Electric. We put a motion detector, light sensor in front of the garage door and on the man door. Then we use a chamberlain garage door opener to check the 6 minute stall time. We do about 380 garages a year and APT wires probably 60% of them.

Mr. Marrelli said, there’s a change in the electrical code, it just came out.

Diane Bija asked, is this the one starting in June?

Mr. Marrelli replied, yes. You can’t tie the lights into the receptacle circuits.

Diane Bija said, I know about the 42” footer.

Mr. Marrelli said, that’s still up in the air. Not to digress, but we just had a meeting on that. The State told us if it’s light frame construction 400 – 600 sq. ft. we could allow you to not do the footers if our soil conditions are suitable. 

Mr. Varelmann asked, basically a floating slab?

Mr. Marrelli replied, it’s a thickened monolithic. They’re going back to people don’t need a full 42” foundation to hold up 2 x 4’s and vinyl siding.

DECISION:

Chairman Miozzi, seconded by Mr. Lawler made a motion to approve the proposed Detached Garage for Gary Stromberg at 6476 N. Aintree Pk Dr. as proposed.

Chairman Miozzi asked, any discussion? There was none.   

ROLL CALL

Ayes: Mr. Miozzi, Mr. Varelmann, Mr. Lawler     
Nays: None                          

Motion Carried. Drawings Approved.

ADJOURNMENT:

There being no further business, Chairman Miozzi, seconded by Mr. Varelmann made a motion to adjourn the meeting.

ROLL CALL

Ayes: All                
Nays: None          

Motion Carried. Meeting adjourned at 8:55 p.m.