ARB: March 9th 2017
ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD
March 9, 2017
The Architectural Review Board met in regular session on Thurs, March 9, 2017 at 7:30 p.m. at the Mayfield Village Civic Center Conference Room. Chairman Parker presided.
Present: Mr. Ed Parker (Chairman), Mr. Carmen Miozzi (Chairman Pro Tem), Mrs. MaryAnn Wervey, and Mr. Joshua Klein
Absent: Mr. Ivo Tombazzi and Mr. John Marrelli (Building Commissioner)
Also Present: Ms. Deborah Garbo (Secretary)
CONSIDERATION OF MEETING MINUTES: Jan 26, 2017
Mr. Miozzi, seconded by Mr. Klein made a motion to approve the minutes of Jan 26, 2017.
Ayes: Mr. Parker, Mr. Miozzi, Mrs. Wervey, Mr. Klein
Motion Carried. Minutes Approved as written.
- Fencing & Siding (Site Improvement)
480 SOM Ctr Rd.
Note: (“Temporary & Conditional Use Permit” for Outdoor Storage pending P & Z approval)
- Dormer Addition
630 SOM Ctr Rd.
Paul Architects, LLC
480 SOM Ctr. Rd.
Fencing & Siding (Site Improvement)
Chairman Parker called the meeting to order. We’ll begin with our first agenda item.
Angelo Fappiano, Son of Luisa Fappiano introduced himself. The reason we’re here this evening is to go over siding and fencing for our property. We’re looking to fence in a good majority of the rear of the property, which shows here on site plan drawing. It begins right here, comes all the way around the property edge, all the way around the back of the barn here. We’re looking to put 8’ board of board fencing. Then 6’ board on board fencing around this whole perimeter here, then new additional landscape mound there.
We’re looking to put metal siding on this large barn here and this front garage as well. I brought a sample of the metal siding and a color chart. The metal siding will be vertical siding up and down. Charcoal Gray will be the true color. This here is a j channel trim piece for the sides, to trim out the sides of all the windows and doors. Downspouts and gutters will probably be white.
Mr. Miozzi asked about the color of the doors.
Angelo Fappiano replied, currently they’re a gray color. I’d like to keep the same gray color, I could match with paint. We’re going to replace 3 of the garage doors and 2 of them we’ll paint that are in decent shape.
Chairman Parker suggests white for the window trim. It’ll stand out nicely.
Angelo Fappiano asked, do you want the doors all white to keep uniform?
Chairman Parker replied no, big door, too stark.
Mr. Miozzi asked about the zoning.
Angelo Fappiano replied, approx. 1/3 of the property is residential and the rest commercial.
Mr. Miozzi said, normally, we wouldn’t approve metal siding on a residential garage, but technically that barn is on commercial property?
Angelo Fappiano replied, yes.
Chairman Parker states, John gave me a little background on the pending legal matter which we’re not involved with.
Angelo Fappiano said, the barn is in pretty bad shape. As long as we address and complete all these issues, then the Village will possibly allow us to get a conditional use permit for the property.
Mr. Miozzi said, our ordinance says 6’ max fence height.
Angelo Fappiano corrected, 8’ allow for commercial.
Mr. Klein asked, what do you think would be complimentary for the doors? I don’t think necessarily white, but I don’t know that you want them all to be the same either.
Angelo Fappiano replied, the siding is a charcoal gray, if you want me to go with an ash gray to offset it. Maybe all the doors, trim pieces and j channel in ash gray and the siding in charcoal. There’s a few downspouts that are good and we’re going to leave them white, the rest we’re going to replace. If need be, we can change them all, there’s not that many. I don’t know what colors are available as far as the gutters.
Chairman Parker replied, I would do white for window trim, fascia’s & gutters and ash gray doors and then corner trim charcoal gray.
Chairman Parker asked, are you planning on staining the fence?
Angelo Fappiano replied, just putting a clear sealer on it, natural color, no stain. That existing Village fence currently is about 25’ off of our property. Doug Metzung said something about removing it once we got ours up. It’ll depend how it looks once we’re done. He’s not sure he wants two fences back to back.
Mr. Miozzi, seconded by Mr. Parker made a motion to approve the proposed fencing and siding for Luisa Fappiano at 480 SOM Ctr. Rd. as discussed.
Ayes: Mr. Parker, Mr. Miozzi, Mrs. Wervey, Mr. Klein
Motion Carried. Drawings Approved.
630 SOM Ctr. Rd.
Marc Vasil 630 SOM Ctr. Rd explains his proposal. This is the house as it exists now, street side, south and north side. The west side is the Police Station side of the house. We’re looking to do two items to the house. The first is on the second floor, that’s to change the existing roof line of the second floor to elevate the back half of the house. The dormers as you see already exist in the front, just to elevate this back wall so we can move a bathroom to the second floor. Right now it’s just 2 bedrooms and this long narrow hallway. Here’s the existing wall as it stands, it’ll be this elevation, to capture this space in here so we can get a bathroom up there, so we’ll have 2 bedrooms and a full bath on the second floor.
Right now it’s a 3-bedroom kinda house borderline. On the first floor there’s the addition which you see here which is the change of direction from the current house. The addition comes off just to the edge of the house at the same depth as this, it’s actually about a foot wider just for keeping the structural footer solid. Towards the front of the house, this is the existing Master Bedroom here on the first floor, about 13 x 9 ½. For a Master, it’s not very functional. Then you have a bathroom to the back.
Right now the kitchen orients itself in the center of the house. We’ll turn the kitchen and take it all the way out into this room so that we’ve got a full eat-in kitchen in the house. Move the bathroom and the mud room to this area so we could expand that Master Bedroom by about three feet. There’s no structural wall to the interior, just to make it a true Master for as much as we could get without a massive overall to the house.
Marc concludes presentation. It’s almost a Century Home. The idea is to keep the aesthetic look, keep the theme of the house, especially sitting on the road the way that it sits and update the interior to match. It’s going to be a solid black 30-year structural asphalt roof. The house now is shake. I’m going to keep the shake. This is the proposed actual color we’re going with. Everywhere the shake is currently damaged, we’ll pull and replace with a new board, power wash the house and get ready to paint. All the new surfaces we’ll install new shake to match. The idea is going to be deep red, white trim & black roof, kind of a barn style look.
Chairman Parker said, my first take on this is that I need to see a better rendering. That’s a very bold color that you’re proposing to a house that sits right next to the Village’s Police Station.
Mrs. Wervey asked, are you the property owner?
Marc Vasil replied, I am.
Mrs. Wervey asked, are you living in this home?
Marc Vasil replied, not currently.
Mrs. Wervey asked, do you intend to live in this home?
Marc Vasil replied, I do.
Mrs. Wervey asked, did you just buy this home?
Marc Vasil replied, about two weeks ago. I actually lived in the neighborhood, I grew up in Worton Pk. and went to High School here.
Chairman Parker said, I don’t want to say that I’m against the color. I’m having a hard time visualizing how this is going to look with the plum red. I’m not necessarily saying that I’m opposed to it.
Marc Vasil said, I’m not sure how to show it to you in short of painting the house.
Chairman Parker said, you had a professional do these drawings. They should be able to provide better renderings to match the color you’re showing us.
Marc Vasil said, I figured I was bringing the color live.
Chairman Parker said, I’m an Architect, I can visualize-
Marc Vasil said, to be fair, the color is not even why I’m here because we’re months away from the color. What I really am concerned about today is permission to put the two additions on so that we can do the structural work inside.
Mr. Miozzi asked, we don’t have a front elevation?
Marc Vasil replied no, because there’s not a single change to the front of the house. The front stays exactly as it is. The only change is the roof color and whatever we do with the house.
Mr. Klein asked, can you see that addition from the front?
Marc Vasil replied, no you can’t. It’s dead center in the back of the house.
Mr. Klein said, o.k., everything you’re doing is behind. It looks like it makes sense. I agree with you, I don’t see any issues with the addition. I can see where you’re coming from Ed, that color is pretty bold.
Chairman Parker said, I’m not even against it, even if it was like hey, this is the scheme we’re going after. For example, the fascias are all black but yet the trim is all white.
Marc Vasil said, think about a red barn, black roof, white trim, white gutters, and white downspouts. Natural wood floor on the porch.
Mr. Miozzi said, that whole front, you have no trim around the arches in front.
Marc Vasil said, there’s interior that will be white. You can’t see it now because it’s white, that’s about 8 inches thick. From the street when it’s white, there will be the appearance of white trim. It’s just that when it’s all white like it is now, it’s very hard to see. Color wise, that blue that I printed, does it no justice.
Chairman Parker said, I would recommend some kind of feature there, whether it’s a nice light fixture or fake gable, something to help it give that presence of the door.
Marc Vasil replied, I’d probably do something there. I’m nowhere near the full cosmetic of the front. My goal was to break ground. We have some issues with the way the water is in the house in the basement. The foundation is stone and it seeps into the basement. All the waterproofing is interior to the house, not exterior. The walls are soaked. We already broke out the basement floor to see what’s going on. It’s just a matter of knowing where we’re going to put the sump and how we’re going to run it. Plus there was an old well.
Mrs. Wervey states, it’s very difficult to sign something that looks like this.
Marc Vasil said, I’m not applying for approval for the color, I’m applying for approval for the addition. I could have printed it in black & white.
Mr. Klein said, we’ve approved the addition portions of things in the past without necessarily having the color. I believe we could approve the addition as it sits, that at the end it’s all going to need to match and it all has to get approved.
Marc Vasil said, I’m willing to sign off on the existing white & blue, although I think the blue is atrocious.
Discussion ensued on the drawing, the return and how it will change the look.
Marc Vasil states, what I don’t want to do is be exactly flush because of the foundation of the wall. The difficulty is the nature of the way that basement is poured because of the stone wall and not normal block. That addition will get a new foundation. There’s nothing there but an old well and I think an old septic line.
Mrs. Wervey said, you didn’t bring a picture of the back which is where you’re adding everything. We can’t see what’s happening there today to see if the proportion that you’re proposing fits.
Marc Vasil said, the addition’s going north towards the Police Station.
Chairman Parker asked, do you have a Structural Engineer on this?
Marc Vasil said, yes.
Chairman Parker asked, what are they doing with the ridge?
Marc Vasil replied, he’s got it cisterning in half way. Marc demonstrates to the Board on drawing.
Chairman Parker said, you’re blowing half of your roof out, but you’re wanting to maintain this character?
Marc Vasil replied, I don’t wish you to see any of the work from the street. From the street, it should look like we just painted the house.
Chairman Parker states, it would be nice if we had floor plans, then we could reference exactly what’s going on with where this is coming out and what’s going in. I think we have some drawings that might be misrepresented.
Marc Vasil said, I was told basically I didn’t need that. I went through this with John before he left.
Mrs. Wervey said, typically people bring elevations scaled done by an Architect. To me, this is a concept sketch. This is not what we’re used to seeing. This is substandard to what we’re used to seeing when people come before us. They’re usually much better detailed drawings. That’s my opinion.
Marc Vasil said, I understand what you’re saying. As a non-Architect guy, it doesn’t seem like we’re doing very much outside. I’m not trying to be offensive, I need your input. I’m a health care professional by trade.
Chairman Parker replied, I’m an Architect and I’m not trying insult another Architect. If I was your neighbor and I saw this dormer, there’s no thought or proportion to it. I’d be offended by that if I were in my backyard. It looks like a big box sticking out of the roof. I feel like there could be better proportions to it and be more thoughtful more in the character of the home.
Mr. Klein asked, do you need the space along the whole front of it or is there room to do something?
Marc Vasil replied, for lack of a better way to say it, the cost doesn’t change and it gives me closets and stuff like that.
Chairman Parker said, we’re simply trying to give it some of the character of the actual home. You could still gain that same amount of space, but you could then mirror these dormers to the back.
Marc Vasil said, without sounding ignorant, you’re talking about the rear of the home that has nothing behind me but industry. It backs up to Beta Dr. To incur that kind of cost that can’t be seen from the street that has no effect, that doesn’t make a lot of financial sense to me. There are three houses between the corner of Beta Dr. and the Police Station. The neighbors that we have is the industry on Beta Dr. I have a house on Joyce, making the changes there where you have true neighbors, I understand the difference. That’s a lot of extra money to dormer out the back side of the house that can’t be seen. The goal here is to make a house that’s not very functional, functional. Right now it’s a 3-bedroom 1-bath house. The goal in the end is to make it a 3-bedroom with a true Master on the first and 2 ½ -bath house by putting one in the basement.
Chairman Parker said, to take that logic, I’d be able to add onto my house a steel frame building with no windows and say, I don’t care, I don’t have any neighbors within 500 feet. Your backyard is more visible than my backyard. The public can see yours. Let’s put it this way, I’m not trying to say you need to spend more money here, I’m saying I don’t like this design. As it’s being presented, I think it’s inadequate for us to rule on it.
Marc Vasil replied, o.k.
Mr. Miozzi states, if you’re saying you don’t like this design at all, there’s no sense in having him bring a set of drawings in.
Chairman Parker said, let’s examine the proportions as it’s being presented. I’m having a hard time how it may look.
Marc Vasil said, I’m not sure I understand what the confusion is. Most 2-story houses have an equal height. It’s a standard 2-story Colonial look from the back. The idea is that I don’t go up high enough to affect what is already the feel on the front. You could probably find 1000 of these exact additions throughout the Mayfield area. This is how you made these old houses more functional, is to take the roof and adjust it.
Mrs. Wervey replied, when they come here before us, they seem to be able to do a design that compliments the rest of the structure.
Mr. Miozzi demonstrates some options for the roof line, extending rafters up, extending ridge up for more of a peak towards the back.
Marc Vasil said, if I have to raise the peak to change that, you would see it. The only way not to see that from the front of the house would be to rip the front roof off too which would mean ripping out the dormers in the process. The goal is to leave that look as it is.
Chairman Parker said, my issue is the mass going up with being very minimally articulated. When are you lined up to break ground?
Marc Vasil replied, it’s not a matter of lined up. Because of the water issue, we had to do some work there. I couldn’t give them a date without approval.
Chairman Parker asked, can you come back to our next meeting?
Marc Vasil asked, do I have a choice? Of course I could make the next meeting. My goal is to make it work with you guys.
Mrs. Wervey said, I would like to table this until John is back in town.
Chairman Parker said, I’d like to see some floor plans of the footprint of what’s being built here.
Marc Vasil asked, can you clarify that for me. I want to make sure I understand exactly what you want because to me a floor plan is what’s inside the house.
Chairman Parker replied, we need to see exterior walls so that we can understand that this is popping out. If this was done by an Architect, he has the plans. That shouldn’t be a problem.
Mr. Miozzi asked, what is your foundation issue that you can’t line this up?
Marc Vasil replied, the foundation is cobblestone. To get directly against that cobblestone on this side it’s flat, because this was put on later. On this side it’s more cobblestone. If I come off one stone on this side, I could get flush to the house. If I come this side, I’m going to have that stone and crevice. I could pour cement.
Mr. Miozzi asked, is that a crawl space?
Marc Vasil replied, that’s a whole basement.
Chairman Parker asked, you’re adding a room in the basement?
Marc Vasil replied, yes. Basically, the foundation wall for this back portion of the house will stay put. I don’t wish to mess with the foundation on the whole house because it’s 95 years old.
Chairman Parker states, I’d like to see a little more articulation. I think you’re going to lose detail on your chimneys also.
Marc Vasil asked, would it be beneficial to bring in photographs of other houses this color? I really don’t know what direction to give my Architect with that back wall. To me, it’s a straight Colonial.
Chairman Parker said, I would say it looks a little too massive and the design lacks detail and attention to penetration.
Marc Vasil asked, is it possible to get permission to put the lower level on? If this part’s done, I can essentially move in and tape off the second floor all together and do the work after I move into the house.
Chairman Parker said, we’re talking about two weeks from now. Is that really going to hold your schedule up?
Marc Vasil replied, we have good weather. The idea for me is to get into the house and not have a dual mortgage. That second floor I don’t need and can easily tape that off and do the work.
Chairman Parker asked, what are you doing for the next two weeks until these are approved?
Marc Vasil replied, a foundation for this room.
Chairman Parker asked, what kind of foundation wall are you doing?
Marc Vasil replied, standard block.
Chairman Parker asked, are they lined up, ready to fill this foundation?
Marc Vasil replied, no because we had to take out about 8 inches of the basement floor, lower the basement floor because of the water.
Chairman Parker said, I don’t think we’re going to hold this up by waiting two weeks.
Mr. Klein said, ultimately the building permit is what’s going to be the second factor. We’re just going to say if it looks o.k. If you do it correctly, it’s going to look o.k. I don’t think we have any objection in principal what you’re trying to do. We’re looking to see how it all comes together. You’re going to need to give that information of how it all comes together to John to get your permit anyway. I’m sure if his permit is good, he’s not going to have any objection you starting to dig. We’re just looking at the visual appeal of it ultimately, that’s our job i.e. the color, the massing. I don’t see why you couldn’t start putting in for a permit for that and see if John’s o.k. with it.
Mr. Parker, seconded by Mrs. Wervey made a motion to TABLE the proposal for Marc Vasil at 630 SOM Ctr Rd for more information.
- Applicant to resubmit next scheduled meeting date of Thurs, March 23rd at 7:30 p.m.
- Applicant to include floor plans and talk to Paul Architects for design of the dormer.
Ayes: Mr. Parker, Mr. Miozzi, Mrs. Wervey, Mr. Klein
Motion Carried. Proposal TABLED.
There being no further business, Mr. Miozzi, seconded by Mr. Klein made a motion to adjourn the meeting.
Motion Carried. Meeting adjourned at 8:35 p.m.