ARB - August 11th 2016

ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD
MEETING MINUTES
Mayfield
Village
Aug 11, 2016

The Architectural Review Board met in regular session on Thurs, Aug 11, 2016 at 7:40 p.m. at the Mayfield Village Civic Center Conference Room. Chairman Parker presided.   

ROLL CALL

Present: Mr. Ed Parker (Chairman), Mrs. MaryAnn Wervey, and Mr. Joshua Klein

Absent: Mr. Carmen Miozzi (Chairman Pro-Tem), Mr. Ivo Tombazzi, and Mr. John Marrelli (Building Commissioner)

Also Present: Ms. Deborah Garbo (Secretary)

CONSIDERATION OF MEETING MINUTES: July 28, 2016

Consideration of minutes deferred to next meeting date.

PROPOSAL:

  1. Detached Garage Remodel
    Michael Cox
    1020 Worton Park Dr.
    Shannonwood Homes

OPEN PORTION:

Chairman Parker called the meeting to order. We have one item on the agenda tonight.

Mike Gerson with Shannonwood Homes introduced himself. We’re remodeling a 26’ x 24’ garage. It’s actually a very nice concrete block garage. It has a patio to the right of it. Our plan is to put a little cohesiveness in this and put the roof structure together. We’re taking off two rows of concrete block on the garage structure and bringing it down to around 8 feet. We’re rebuilding the whole front of the garage, we’re tuck pointing. All the work is on the garage and on the left corner. There’s two service doors on the garage which we’re closing out at the rear. We’re going to have a row of solid block on top with anchor bolts, 26’ cantilevered trusses over that structure with 6 x 6 treated posts. There’s going to be a new electrical package which we’re doing underground from their house. When we do the cantilever truss, these are 1 ¾” x 11 7/8” LVL’s which we’re putting around the perimeter and running a 2 x 3 band underneath. We just did a patio garage like this in Brooklyn Hts.

Chairman Parker asked, why are you doing a cantilevered truss and not just bearing on the end?

Mike Gerson replied, I have a 16’ bearing wall. 

Chairman Parker said, I was just curious. If you’re putting LVL’s in, you could just bear on them. If you’re fine with that, I’m fine. The other thing then is, if you’re not in bearing do you need the LVL’s?

Mike Gerson replied, I like doing that, it’s the way I’ve always done it. We don’t wrap our 6 x 6’s because it looks so bad.

Chairman Parker asked, the LVL is going to have an aluminum break metal?

Mike Gerson replied, yes, wrapped in it.

Chairman Parker asked, you’re not going to do that to the posts?

Mike Gerson replied, no. First of all, they’re treated posts. Posts get dinged and it always looks terrible. I’d rather see a solid stain.

Chairman Parker said, I’m interested in the materiality of it. It might look better if it’s not aluminum, if it was more an Azek or even just a painted trim so it at least matches this post. If you do the aluminum, you’re going have a shining beam with a painted post.

Mike Gerson replied, it’s a matte white. But if you want, I could cover that with a cedar.

Chairman Parker replied, then you should really be doing cedar posts too, then you’re driving the cost up. I was just thinking if you used a product like Azek that’s cementitious or a PVC.

Mike Gerson said, I’ll band in cedar.

Chairman Parker said, I don’t think that’s necessary. I’m not saying that I wouldn’t approve that metal. I’m just raising the point that it’s not the same material. It’s pretty different material than anything else except for your fascia’s.

Mike Gerson states, we are going to vinyl side and we’ll wrap the door frames. This will all be vinyl solid soffit underneath the porch area. 

Mr. Klein asked, looking at it from the street, will you see the metal or the vinyl wrap?

Mike Gerson replied, the street’s far away.

Chairman Parker said, I think that’s going to look odd. 

Mike Gerson said, you really have to let those posts dry out. You have to give them 6 months, they’re wet. I could tell if they have to be painted or stained down the road.

Mr. Klein agrees, I have some posts that are wrapped and they’re all beat up. I’m trying to figure out what to do with them.

Mike Gerson states, you could see how this brings it all together. It makes for a very nice living area. When I was younger, we built a lot of patio garages just because you could sit out there.

Mr. Klein is o.k. with the concept. I think the concept is cool.

Mike Gerson said, this is actually in very good shape except for the front. It would be a shame to tear it down.

Chairman Parker said, overall I don’t have any reservations about it. I did want to bring up to the Board though, are we going to be accepting CMU (concrete masonry unit) in the future? Because this is existing, we’re fine with it, right? 

Mr. Klein replied yes. I think modification of an existing structure should be o.k. because it’s grandfathered.

Mrs. Wervey asked, what are you doing for the block?

Mike Gerson replied, we’re re-tuck pointing the whole front of the garage. There’s some tuck pointing on the left side as we repair this. We’re also putting in new lintels. The homeowner is going to paint it. Right now it’s a light brownish color, he’ll do the same color. We’re also putting in a new steel 8 x 7 door with a garage door operator with electrical package and shingles to match house.

Chairman Parker asked, do we want to say that the posts need to be painted after one year?

Mike Gerson replied, I’d solid stain it because painting is always going to peel. I wouldn’t wrap it.

Chairman Parker said, the cedar sounds really nice but I don’t want to impose that cost on him. Instead of wrapping the LVL’s, would you do pressure treated lumber, do a triple and then just stain or paint the whole thing?

Mike Gerson replied, years ago I would put up two 2 x 12’s with a ½” plywood flitch plate. You’re getting a nice hefty piece of lumber there.

Chairman Parker said, I’m fine with that.

Mike Gerson asked, so you want 2 x 12 pine?

Chairman Parker replied, we’re not engineering it. I can’t tell you what size it should be, but we’d like it to be a pressure treated beam so that it matches the pressure treated post.

Mr. Klein said, or paint the posts after a year to match the white.

DECISION:

Mr. Klein, seconded by Mrs. Wervey made a motion to approve the Detached Garage Remodel for Michael Cox at 1020 Worton Pk Dr as noted:

  • CMU existing and grandfathered. CMU must be repainted.
  • Posts must be painted white to match beams.

ROLL CALL

Ayes: Mr. Parker, Mrs. Wervey, Mr. Klein        

Nays: None                                      

Motion Carried. Drawings Approved As Noted.

ADJOURNMENT:

There being no further business, Mr. Parker seconded by Mr. Klein made a motion to adjourn the meeting.

ROLL CALL

Ayes: All

Nays: None

Motion Carried. Meeting adjourned at 7:55 p.m.